+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 57

Thread: Which cars deserved a better engine / package

  1. #1

    Which cars deserved a better engine / package

    I'm sure there are plenty of these out there.

    One to start us off with.

    Peugeot RCZ. Not the most amazing shape, but it isn't bad. Give it a decent engine, make it RWD and an Audi badge and it would have sold well I'm sure.

    Any more?
    I'm arresting you for murdering my car you dyke digging tosspot

  2. #2
    The Celica (Gen 7) should've had a GT-Four turbo version like the Gen 6 shape rather than the 190bhp top of the range.

  3. #3
    Regular Chris D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Pork pie and Stilton Mowbray
    Posts
    11,899
    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Kinghorn View Post

    Peugeot RCZ. Not the most amazing shape, but it isn't bad. Give it a decent engine, make it RWD and an Audi badge and it would have sold well I'm sure.
    Wouldn't that just be a TT? (less the RWD)
    Sponsored by Floyd.

    987.1 Boxster S
    F21 120d Msport

  4. #4
    Regular stevem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Chessington
    Posts
    8,732
    Gt86/BRZ.
    Simon no longer owes me anything, Dave does though.
    Floyd probably owes me at least twenty with the interest rolling up...

  5. #5
    Regular Floyd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Royston Vasey
    Posts
    39,069
    Quote Originally Posted by stevem View Post
    Gt86/BRZ.
    Hmm, isn't the purpose to be low grip, just enough of a responsive N/A engine to make it fun?

    Same for MX5. They could have put a much more powerful engine in these but chose to keep it pure.

    MR2 turbo version didn't necessarily make it super popular, did it?
    BMW 3.0 Z4 Roadster. Touareg 3.0 V6 TDI T2. Subaru Impreza Turbo 2000.

  6. #6
    Regular Stace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Sheffield
    Posts
    20,081
    Quote Originally Posted by stevem View Post
    Gt86/BRZ.
    This sprang to mind straight away. I think NA is right but maybe 2.2 and 230 bhp would have suited it better.
    Dunlop Direzzas. Officially better than aero.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by stevem View Post
    Gt86/BRZ.
    Quote Originally Posted by Floyd View Post
    Hmm, isn't the purpose to be low grip, just enough of a responsive N/A engine to make it fun?

    Same for MX5. They could have put a much more powerful engine in these but chose to keep it pure.

    MR2 turbo version didn't necessarily make it super popular, did it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stace View Post
    This sprang to mind straight away. I think NA is right but maybe 2.2 and 230 bhp would have suited it better.
    Anything bar the subaru flat 4 would have been fine. A nice free reving 220.

    Or even a turbo 4 180-200hp, that you could just turn the boost up on to make a reliable 250.

    With a charger its spot on, but if it had been like that out the box it would have sold like hot cakes!

  8. #8
    Ford Ka should have gotten the Zetec SE all alloy 16v.
    Later BL MINIS should have gotten the K Series.
    Mk2 and mk3 gti 16v Golf's should have gotten something with a proper head.

  9. #9
    Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Cornwall, Uk
    Posts
    4,824
    All MX5s should come with v8s, simples...
    About.me - Twitter: @iOlly - Laps: 68

  10. #10
    Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Cornwall, Uk
    Posts
    4,824
    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Kinghorn View Post
    Peugeot RCZ. Not the most amazing shape, but it isn't bad. Give it a decent engine, make it RWD and an Audi badge and it would have sold well I'm sure.
    Like these to look at. Carbon fibre double bubble roof! However, friends look after a long term customer's and would set fire to it if they could. The engine isn't great but it's academic vs. the mess they made of wiring them from the factory.
    About.me - Twitter: @iOlly - Laps: 68

  11. #11
    Regular Stace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Sheffield
    Posts
    20,081
    Quote Originally Posted by Brando View Post
    All MX5s should come with v8s, simples...
    6 year lead time might be an issue for some people
    Dunlop Direzzas. Officially better than aero.

  12. #12
    Regular stevem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Chessington
    Posts
    8,732
    Quote Originally Posted by Brando View Post
    All MX5s should come with v8s, simples...
    It's simple and relatively cheap to do afterwards though, FM do an off the shelf kit.
    Simon no longer owes me anything, Dave does though.
    Floyd probably owes me at least twenty with the interest rolling up...

  13. #13
    Anything small, RWD, around £20-25k that could outperform a 400bhp GT4, but for £50k

  14. #14
    Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Yorkshire
    Posts
    9,889
    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    Ford Ka should have gotten the Zetec SE all alloy 16v.
    They did do a SportKa (dunno how to make it so its a small picture thingy)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHA6IXSvreU
    If a man speaks his mind in a forest and no woman hears him...is he still wrong ?

  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave B View Post
    They did do a SportKa (dunno how to make it so its a small picture thingy)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHA6IXSvreU

    Still an iron block 8v.

  16. #16
    Regular simonsaunders's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Faversham, Kent
    Posts
    7,596
    The R50 MINI - first of the new shape - deserved something better than the Chrysler sourced SOHC. If they had found an energetic, rev happy engine it would have been brilliant, rather than just very good.

    Iíve got to say that a lot of the new 2.0 I4 turbo FWD stuff leaves me cold. I had one, but it gives me no incentive to go and try a competitor. I donít want incrementally better, I want fundamentally different. Life was definitely better when mags could group test 5 competitors and the drivetrain was different in each.
    BMW E90 330i Sport / Kawasaki ZX6R.
    Custodian and seller of Northloop stickers.

  17. #17
    Regular Floyd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Royston Vasey
    Posts
    39,069
    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    Later BL MINIS should have gotten the K Series.
    YESSSSSS! This would have been mega!
    BMW 3.0 Z4 Roadster. Touareg 3.0 V6 TDI T2. Subaru Impreza Turbo 2000.

  18. #18
    Hyundai coupe was again reasonable to look at but needed a better engine.
    I'm arresting you for murdering my car you dyke digging tosspot

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris D View Post
    Wouldn't that just be a TT? (less the RWD)
    TT had been around a good while when these were released. Could have been the replacement
    I'm arresting you for murdering my car you dyke digging tosspot

  20. #20
    Regular Dave G's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Stansted
    Posts
    24,228
    1990 Honda Civic i-VT

  21. #21
    Regular Mike Roberts's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Cheshire
    Posts
    6,746
    DeLorean.
    Takes a lot of skill to look this bad you know...

  22. #22
    Regular Dan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Essex
    Posts
    14,109
    Quote Originally Posted by Stace View Post
    6 year lead time might be an issue for some people
    Pioneer of the Northloop lunge
    Daily: Ford Kuga 2.0 tdci - Family wagon
    SteveM owes me £5.

  23. #23
    Regular Uncle Benz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    West Sussex
    Posts
    10,004
    Another whole thread available on great engines fitted to a pile of crap...
    Northloop.co.uk - at the forefront of political debate since Tuesday.

  24. #24
    Regular Dave G's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Stansted
    Posts
    24,228
    Honda Civic i-VT has double wishbone suspension too.

    Very comfortable and reliable.

    I think I win.

  25. #25
    Porsche 944/968 great motors, but needed more than a tuneless 4 pot, vag vr6 or the lower powas 928 lumps would gave been ace for the na ones, Audi 5 pot turbo for the turbo, or 928 v8 big grunt powas

    E46 bimmer zimmer M3 needed a 4 door & an estate options & a v8 e90 needed an estate option

    E36 needed the 4.4 v8, I had a transplant it was ace, and an estate option, I also had one of them

    Boxster 986\987 needed 996/987gt3 & turbo options


    Mx5 needed more poke na, or an easy to get more poke out of lump like an old vag lump mk2 golf etc, easy to swap somat larger in, oh and a v6, and a Nissan S13 turbo option

    S2000 needed a supercharger

    Opel Manta needed XE 16v

    Mr2 mk3 needed celica 190 lump

    Ford needed to have never put the cvh in anything other than a pure chugga chug shopping car what so ever!
    www.lizardlogistics.com
    Vehicle Transportation Specialists

  26. #26

  27. #27
    While the s54 was good, its not got much poke (torque) compared to whats offered on fast saloons these days, so an e46 m3 should have had a run out model with the 5.0 e39 m5 v8, or the e60 v10 engine

  28. #28
    The 944 was definitely let down by the 4 pot motor. A tuneful 6 would have been great. I have read reports that they originally planned a v6 made by lopping off 2 cylinders from the 928 engine. Not sure if this is true. (The 944 engine does have some similarity to half a 928 motor)

  29. #29
    Regular N/B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    14,503
    Did any tuners (Hartge/Alpina/Dinan etc) offer V8 E36/E46s?
    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Benz
    Nige would be turning in his shed
    Quote Originally Posted by Nige
    Have you seen my bottom nuts?

  30. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by N/B View Post
    Did any tuners (Hartge/Alpina/Dinan etc) offer V8 E36/E46s?
    Yes.

  31. #31
    Regular Dave G's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Stansted
    Posts
    24,228
    For the record, I didnít read the question.

  32. #32
    Regular
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Cumbria mainly & Lanarkshire.
    Posts
    2,726
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave B View Post
    They did do a SportKa (dunno how to make it so its a small picture thingy)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHA6IXSvreU
    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    Still an iron block 8v.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    Ford Ka should have gotten the Zetec SE all alloy 16v.
    Later BL MINIS should have gotten the K Series.
    Mk2 and mk3 gti 16v Golf's should have gotten something with a proper head.
    These Ka engines are an odd 8 valve iron block (made in Brazil I think) chain driven anomaly. I suspect zetec se’s were relatively tall & they were inclined quite far back back whereas the ohc later Ka’s we’re inclined slightly forward to make fitting easier with low bonnet lines.

    I use to dislike the x flow derived later version but having just put one in the escort they’re what they are. I used to always used to keep one in stock for fitting.

    I do wish Ford had put a decent td in their 90’s & 00’s range though after finally getting my 2004 Connect engine swap running it really is a 75hp pos but cheap cavernous transport I guess.

  33. #33
    Regular CaptSolo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    The West Midlands
    Posts
    5,960
    Disco 2 with a TDV6
    "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again" -Pythia
    ------
    Random West Midlands built poseur-mobiles

  34. #34
    E30 m3.
    Thordur Magnusson
    Road - E39 M5 Twin SC
    Track - E30 M3 S85 - build in progress.....

  35. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Fitz711 View Post
    These Ka engines are an odd 8 valve iron block (made in Brazil I think) chain driven anomaly. I suspect zetec seís were relatively tall & they were inclined quite far back back whereas the ohc later Kaís weíre inclined slightly forward to make fitting easier with low bonnet lines.

    I use to dislike the x flow derived later version but having just put one in the escort theyíre what they are. I used to always used to keep one in stock for fitting.

    I do wish Ford had put a decent td in their 90ís & 00ís range though after finally getting my 2004 Connect engine swap running it really is a 75hp pos but cheap cavernous transport I guess.

    The European Ka has an injection fwd version of a Kent Crossflow, or Valencia engine. There was a south American variant called a Rocam, which iirc was 12v and possibly twin cam.
    Also, the Zetec Se DOES fit, I put one in my rally Ka. Without chopping any of the car.

    I agree about the Connect, I had a lwb hi roof 75 or 85 tddi, omfg it was hard work.

  36. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave G View Post
    For the record, I didnít read the question.
    yes it wasn't which car has the best engine /package

    I really liked my EE9 though..

  37. #37
    Regular ste's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    West Sussex
    Posts
    3,238
    SportKa is a good shout. I went to a day Evo magazinge organised at Bedford when the SportKa launched. They had the chassis and drivetrain designers there who did a presentation about the things and we got to do timed autosolos in them plus laps on the track plus the wet handling circuit. Was a really good event.



    They explained which bits of the Puma they'd used and which bits were bespoke to the SportKa. The question was asked about why they hadn't fitted the 1.7 Yamaha engine from the Puma too. And they answered that it was too expensive and in fact, the whole car had been designed and signed off because they had a pile of the 1.6 ironblock boat anchors to shift.

    Obvs loads have had the Puma engine dropped in by enthusiasts since.





    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Kinghorn View Post
    Peugeot RCZ. Not the most amazing shape, but it isn't bad. Give it a decent engine, make it RWD and an Audi badge and it would have sold well I'm sure.

    I always thought the RCZ was a really poor design. The rear overhang is too long making the whole shape awkward. It completely deserved the awful engine and crap FWD drivetrain it got IMO.


    I was always baffled that MSV used them as test cars for MSA licences. They must have got them free from Peugeot as there's no way you'd chose one for a track car any other way. I'd have done my licence elsewhere if they'd been using RCZ's when I did mine.

  38. #38
    Regular
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Shrewsbury / Herschbroich
    Posts
    1,361
    Mk1 NSX

    The body is writing a cheque that the engine can't cash

  39. #39
    Regular simonsaunders's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Faversham, Kent
    Posts
    7,596
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich. View Post
    Mk1 NSX

    The body is writing a cheque that the engine can't cash
    Iíd say that it was competitive at launch (1990), but the bloody thing stayed near-as-dammit the same for 15 years, by which time it was done.

    What it needed was a supercharger plonking on it in the mid-90s. I could see how it was about finessed performance and that a turbo is the antithesis to that, but the development costs would surely be minimal and an extra 75bhp would have righted it. I guess we also have that bullshit Jap power cap thing as well. Honda seemed to have honoured it more than some...
    BMW E90 330i Sport / Kawasaki ZX6R.
    Custodian and seller of Northloop stickers.

  40. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptSolo View Post
    Disco 2 with a TDV6
    Replace a good engine with one that snaps cranks mmmm.

    Although you can get a conversion to do it from Simtek.

  41. #41
    Regular
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Yorkshire
    Posts
    9,889
    I take it none of you actually watched the SportKa video....it was a rather tongue in cheek shout to be honest
    If a man speaks his mind in a forest and no woman hears him...is he still wrong ?

  42. #42
    Regular
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Cumbria mainly & Lanarkshire.
    Posts
    2,726
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave B View Post
    I take it none of you actually watched the SportKa video....it was a rather tongue in cheek shout to be honest
    Maybe it’s because you speak another language
    I did view it & thought it was quite good.
    Interesting follow on posts about it & the engines fitted. I only thought it was a convertible but of course that is the ‘streetka’ I believe. Interesting comments re how/why they didn’t use the puma 1700 engine but I always felt them a bit flat low down.

  43. #43
    Regular CaptSolo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    The West Midlands
    Posts
    5,960
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave B View Post
    I take it none of you actually watched the SportKa video....it was a rather tongue in cheek shout to be honest
    I wish I had the car for all the pigeons on my terrace.... rats with wings
    "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again" -Pythia
    ------
    Random West Midlands built poseur-mobiles

  44. #44
    One to upset the purists

    Fit AMG V8 engines to pre 2010 BMW M3s and M5s to give them the torque they deserved

  45. #45
    Regular Dave G's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Stansted
    Posts
    24,228
    And a Manuel box

  46. #46
    VTEC in a puma
    I'm arresting you for murdering my car you dyke digging tosspot

  47. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Sim View Post
    One to upset the purists

    Fit AMG V8 engines to pre 2010 BMW M3s and M5s to give them the torque they deserved

    My e39 m5 is quite torquey? M3 however could do with a boost.

  48. #48
    Regular simonsaunders's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Faversham, Kent
    Posts
    7,596
    Quote Originally Posted by Sim View Post
    One to upset the purists

    Fit AMG V8 engines to pre 2010 BMW M3s and M5s to give them the torque they deserved
    Just throw a manual box at the Merc...
    BMW E90 330i Sport / Kawasaki ZX6R.
    Custodian and seller of Northloop stickers.

  49. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    My e39 m5 is quite torquey? M3 however could do with a boost.

    My n/a E55 has more torque than the E39 M5 and the E60 V10 M5

  50. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Kinghorn View Post
    VTEC in a puma
    Puma 1700 had a type of vtec called vct

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts