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    Was utterly shocked, saddened and rather speechless by this tragic news (which I saw on Fb on Sunday).

    I have hitherto not felt comfortable commenting; as I would have been nowhere near as close to Bren as so many others of you on here. I met him several times while out at the 'Ring (more often than not in the C.C.) and we subsequently kept in touch via social media. Always found him to be a thorough gentleman - so kind, helpful, interesting and witty!! The man was a legend and will undoubtedly remain so in the hearts of so many. Knowing what he has been through in the past, and his impending plans for his future, has made the tragic news all the harder to fathom and process.

    My heartfelt thoughts and prayers remain with his family, along with his extended family of close friends. He'll be sadly missed by so so many.

    R.I.P. Bren / Red Barron.

    * I found last Sunday doubly difficult as I also got news that another old friend (a legend of clubman rallying, aged 45) lost his life that morning here in Cork when he was fatally struck by a car while out training in his road-bike.
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    Very sorry to hear this news.

    Tragic circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Malings View Post
    Very sorry to hear this news.

    Tragic circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rory View Post
    Was utterly shocked, saddened and rather speechless by this tragic news (which I saw on Fb on Sunday).

    I have hitherto not felt comfortable commenting; as I would have been nowhere near as close to Bren as so many others of you on here. I met him several times while out at the 'Ring (more often than not in the C.C.)
    I feel exactly the same Rory.

    Incredibly sad news that i struggled to get my head around on Sunday.

    Incredibly nice guy whenever i met him, cant believe the circumstances surrounding the hole thing, just very sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rory View Post
    speechless
    I've rarely been rendered speechless. When I read about Bren on Sunday, Deborah looked at me and said "what's wrong?" I couldn't physically say any words. I tried to speak several times, but only tears came out. It was as if not telling her would mean the reality could be avoided for just a little bit longer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rory View Post
    * I found last Sunday doubly difficult as I also got news that another old friend (a legend of clubman rallying, aged 45) lost his life that morning here in Cork when he was fatally struck by a car while out training in his road-bike.
    Sorry to hear about that, my condolences.

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    Just seen this.

    Damn.

    There are some people that, whenever they go, and whatever the reason, it's too soon.

    Ed was one, Bren was certainly another.
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    We're doing some groundwork so we can come over .

    This is of course subject to anything kicking off in Bristol with H's Mom.
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    As said on facebook, absolutely nothing I can add, other than from the first time I drove the track 12 years ago in my MX5 I was parking it up and he told me I was 'in the wrong car for a man of the regular sexual persuasion', or words that affect, and straight away knew he was one of the good guys. I like to think I had a part in him going over to the 4 wheeled gay side too.

    I will most likely be working during the LeMans weekend, but will make a quiet moment for myself when I next go.

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    For you non Facebookers.

    We went to the crash site yesterday and I thought this might help some people understand what happened a bit better.

    This is my take on it having looked at all of the tyre marks and the lines drawn on the track by the police. Feel free to copy it and re-post it if you like to try and quash many of the rumours that have been floating around about this.

    It has helped me process things and gives an idea of how it happened.

    Bren had obviously had some sort of problem with the car and pulled over to prevent any fluid spilling on the track (track post 134) - the Police report and eye witnesses also state that there was no fluid spill on the track.

    He then ran down the grass on the inside line of Mutkurve to warn others. Having looked yesterday, it is possible to climb over the armco there but it is also very overgrown and would have been very hard to run down fast enough to warn others. I can personally understand why he chose to run down the grass if he thought there was fluid on the track and he knew that there were bikers following soon.

    Purely from the police markings, it looks to me as though the driver of the car entered Mutkurve and then must have seen him more or less when the car was at the apex of the corner. That is a very fast and delicate corner, any lift off, sudden braking, or anything like that is going to be a problem. But what do you do, how do you react in that split second???

    Again, from the police markings, the car went into a spin and mounted the grass on the inside and then hit Bren with the left rearside of the car. It then ran across the track and hit the armco on the outside.

    I do not think anyone can be apportioned any blame for this, it was one of those freak accidents, unfortunately they still can, and do, happen.

    Again my thoughts are with Bren's family, friends, and loved ones. But also to the driver of the car involved in the accident. I can see exactly how this could have happened.

    Lastly, this is all in my own view having looked at things with a clear head. Please do not start arguing for or against one point or another, I am not posting this so that people can start arguing about it, I am posting it to hopefully help people understand how it probably happened.

    Thanks for your understanding.

    Karl.

    EDITED: There was fluid on the track.
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    Thanks for the post Karl
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    Karl, thank you for sharing and providing as much clarity on whar happened to Bren. There's always so much theorising and posturing on such tragic events as people seek to blame or otherwise satisfy a personal opinion but nothing can change the outcome, however much we wish it could.

    It's a completely tragic accident, and I feel for everyone close to Bren - Lord knows I've been pathetic enough this week, let alone how you must all be feeling - but also for the driver and those close to him too.

    Gone, but never forgotton Bren.

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    I have to edit this, I have just seen a video and there is most definitely fluid on the track, but whether that was before or after Bren's accident is unclear.
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    Good work Karl, a tough thing to do.

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    Nothing to argue with - it's just a genuinely tragic accident that happened to involve someone doing the right thing, who many of us knew.

    Other people were doing the usual Nurburgring things and Bren was in the wrong place at the wrong time, doing the right thing.

    There by the grace of god go many of the rest of us.

    Thanks for posting. Cap doffed in respect to Karl, for having the courage to go see things on the ground.
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    Thanks for that Karl.

    Many happy memories of Bren, Sliders and the CC. RIP Bren.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I have to edit this, I have just seen a video and there is most definitely fluid on the track, but whether that was before or after Bren's accident is unclear.
    Thanks for posting the original Karl. There was a "video trubute' to Bren on FB earlier in the week. It's from a car which was a short distance behind the car Bren was in. It shows someone (presumably Bren) running down the grass on the left, close to the barrier. He was obviously very focused on letting folks know. The camera car continued past him. I don't recall seeing any fluids but I didn't look too closely.
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    Outstanding post Karl.

    I've refrained from comment, nothing more to add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizard View Post
    Crikey screacher I couldn't/wouldn't watch that.
    To be clear, IT DIDN'T SHOW THE ACCIDENT and I certainly wouldn't have mentioned it if it had.
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    Just read this thread. Sad news indeed.

    I only met Bren a couple of times and he was clearly a great mate to many on here.

    My thoughts are with you and such a shame that someone 'doing the right thing' is taken from us.
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    It's tragic He was a good friend and we'll miss him....

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    I was so shocked to read about this at the weekend. Especially as I thought Bren had already done his last lap of the Ring, and was on his way to Spain. Sadly not :( The timing is such a tragedy.

    I always knew Bren was a legend on two wheels, but I never knew when I first met him he was so good at driving four wheels as well. Until I later learnt he was an ex karting champion. One of my fondest memories of Bren is when I had a horrible rental Ford Ka for the weekend. It was damp. Bren said "chuck me the keys and jump in". He actually scared me what he did to that poor rental car on the Nordschleife with no power at all, whilst laughing his arse off at every opportunity, attempting lift off oversteer on every corner. His laugh was so infectious, and that will be sadly missed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euan View Post
    I was so shocked to read about this at the weekend. Especially as I thought Bren had already done his last lap of the Ring, and was on his way to Spain. Sadly not :( The timing is such a tragedy.

    I always knew Bren was a legend on two wheels, but I never knew when I first met him he was so good at driving four wheels as well. Until I later learnt he was an ex karting champion. One of my fondest memories of Bren is when I had a horrible rental Ford Ka for the weekend. It was damp. Bren said "chuck me the keys and jump in". He actually scared me what he did to that poor rental car on the Nordschleife with no power at all, whilst laughing his arse off at every opportunity, attempting lift off oversteer on every corner. His laugh was so infectious, and that will be sadly missed.
    Yep, he could drive.

    Great to hear from you by the way, just a real shame about the circumstances
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    The first place I ever stayed at the ring was sliders, the first people I met at the ring was Bren & Suz and the first lap I ever did was with Bren sitting in the passenger seat, I will never forget that lap

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    Dear fellow Northlooper's.

    You may choose to skip reading this, its not a light read, nor is it particuarly appropriate as a memorial - however it is not written as a memorial. Its written partly to say something to a long time friend and a man who helped me out over time. Indeed, Suze was the first person I spoke to with regard to this bitter-sweet track, and having tipped off at Speigulkurve a few days later it was Bren and his ramshckle collective of rusty spanners that cajoled a CBR6 back to life. Were it not for Bren's actions - for richer or poorer dear reader, we would not know one another and things would be very different.

    Mostly its written to my fellow track users... please be so careful out there. You cannot always rely on the system to help you, that could be interpreted as a sleight against operational staff - it is not. Many of these people have been recipient of help, as I have been recipent from staff, volunteer and users alike. And we are all mortal.

    A significant reason for writing this is we finally have someone, truly I have no idea who it is, who after a decade of stagnation is finally authorised to spend a few euro's on proactive safety infrastructure. Granted its currently being treated as useless curiousity by the established static marshalls. But in time we might start using it. Explicitly, whoever is spending money does understand what is needed and does have the brains to site it correctly.

    If anyone german translates this. Sighting means to see. To cite something, means to provide a reference or datum. But to site something means an object has been positioned. And with regard to the marshalling equipment recently purchased at 82 and the entry to Speigulkurve - you are doing it correctly, please keep going.

    You need to watch this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GXvOZvyXSA

    Then this one.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J63AEtduZyI

    The first shows Bren passing the filming Porsche, with Lee, in the middle of Hatz Geschlangle (sp, the snake). If we know Bren's approx BtG time, and it won't be so slow - 8.15 would be a fair guesstimate. And we know the pace of Neo in the filming Porsche - we can find out differences easily. A broad brush estimate is 9.40 ish for the Porsche of Neo.

    It is not a simple deduction of times. Mutkurve is 5/8ths of the way around a lap. Thus it is reasonable to estimate 50 seconds divergence at a point of 130 (halfway up the fast straighter section of Kesselchen) about 5-8 seconds before the point of mechanical failure.

    Bren and I have/had significant experience of marshalling, sometimes together in incidents. Until you do this you do not really appreciate just how long 20.8 km's of track is. Another thing Bren and I have is repeated examples of travelling up Kesselchen at or faster than 250kph. Bren's internal-speedo normally added VAT to the figure. We both understand sight lines and where a good position to flag from is. And that is what he would have been thinking and setting out to achieve when travelling down the track on the outside grass.

    NB; Outside will refer to the outside of the circuit if treated as a giant circle, and inside, inside. This will not change due to direction of travel within an observation, or direction of bend.

    An optimum point to flag this situation from is stood on the barriers a little below 132, say 200m below. Then you would be only a little before the oil spill, which is less than ideal, but this is outweighed by being high and visible from 2 seconds out of Je-Suis-129, significant forward vision. The positioning of a marshall determines the slow down concertina crash and the lift off over steer knock on crash. The video shows Bren headed toward here. It is not clear how far further he got, but he must have been killed about 5 seconds of running time to get sufficently around the corner to be in the trajectory of the yellow Megane.

    Bren had had numerous injuries over the years. Most of which prevented running very fast or far. He was also experienced enough to not attempt to hard stop cars on grass. Both of these factors put elapsed time since the mechanical failure up quite a lot. You'll note the red Evo is upon the inside grass after Mutkurve, infront of the white Evo. Note you need to egress the white Evo with prevously broken hips, hence just touching the tarmac.
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    How long would it take you to get out, cross the track safely and get down the outside? (you see the potential for confusion, 'outside' is currently the safest position). Experience suggests I could do it in around... lets call it 25 seconds, and this tallies with the footage of Neo. It cannot be less to get Bren to where he is. Bren was older than I, and much more inhibited by injury.

    That is important as there is a sicherungswagen at the position of the stationary Evo's. And the strasi are not running down the inside of the track at this point. The strasi are parked in the track, the blind side, on line for Mutkurve. This is of unbelievably high chance of being hit, or catalysing further accidents should anyone find any traction in the area. That this accords with standard operating proceedure is taunting another big crash. And they almost certainly must have driven past the oil spill start point to reach the Evo's by approx 600 metres. (Can you see a car with a failure coasting fast enough through Angstkurve to overtake the marshalls car then pull in ahead of it - I cannot) The marshalls, both volunteer and paid are supposed to not exceed 130kph, this makes the distance point to point take longer than it would take other users. Specifically white then red Evo's.

    I think Bren was killed as he ran around the 'outside' apex area of Mutkurve, by a Megane sliding up the grass. The impact in the barriers and the lines in the grass are not yet existing in the first video tribute. But are there in the video filmed by the other Porsche (the full lap video).

    If I am right about the position of impact the Megane's (both of them) had no warning about the spill in advance. And one, probably the second, had already lost control (part due to oil/partly or possibly in surprise avoidance of the frontward Megane, or combination of both) (if anyone can say for sure if the impact Megane was travelling first or second, I would like to know) by the time he hit Bren. It would be good to not write 'probably', but this is always a problem.

    What is not under the category of 'probably'.

    From the mechanical failure to Bren stopping is 10 seconds and 600 metres.

    Getting out of the car and running back to the last known visible point is broadly 300m and 25 seconds at best.
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    Bren has another required/intended 500 m to go, but only makes a fraction of that.

    Bren is still alive at the 'outside' of Mutkurve and there is a marshall's car on scene. Its stationary, parked behind the Evo's. It can be seen it the tribute video. No one appears to be travelling down the 'inside' behind the barriers at this point.

    Within the full lap Porsche video. To run from the marshalls car to the point of the marshall being visible on the 'inside' of the track adjacent to 133 would take another portion of time. I will call it another 25 seconds. I also know it is far harder (and sometimes impossible) and always significantly slower to make any progress for the purposes of warning others on the safe side of the barriers. Access runner ways would be useful... chopping down obstructions and not locking gates is a damned good start. (At SX, to save you some time)

    When the tribute video Porsche arrives he must have passed un-lit lights at Lauda and Breidscheid. I have asked the question and it has been confirmed - no lights. But we knew that already.

    Both Megane's are likely to have passed un-lit safety lighting. The Meganes are likely to have been travelling at a good pace, thus subtracting the available time from registering a track problem to the Meganes passing Lauda Links, the last point of shore-to-ship communication - leaves a depressingly short remainder. However, I know what I suspect could have been possible if we had a focus on preventing knock on accidents and treating spills as seriously as they are.

    Now that last point can be easily dismissed under emotionally compromised reasoning. You could, but you'd be wrong.

    The full lap Porsche is travelling relatively speedily. Its smack on 4 minutes to the middle of Breidscheid bridge according to Harry. Bewteen 4.09 and 4.13 in the video Breidscheid light is visible, but not switched on. It takes the driver 12 seconds to get to the light at Lauda being visible. Lauda light is visible for 5 seconds at this pace. It remains unlit. It takes this driver 51 seconds to get from parallel to Lauda light to the first signs of flag marshalling, a little after 133.

    There is no time coding between all these videos. However if you know how long the travelling times and distances are, you can say with a higher degree of certainty certain things.
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    We - the track collective as a whole - probably could not have warned the Megane's under our current focus of attending vehicles over spills and our current resources. Latching onto this bit is too simple, as this is based on shortest possible elapsed times for what has to have happened. And the times are best case, reality puts the available warning time up. Observe you need to get out of a car, ignore your hip then complete 300m as fast as the olympic gold medal time to achieve the shortest possible 'stationary vehicles' elapsed time for the first person, and negotiate past obstructions on un-level ground for the second person, who also needs to travel at olympic pace.

    Even with immediate responding and a clear request - regardless of whether the spill was observed. It remains an unacceptably long distance gap in shore to ship communication.

    If a request is met with an immediate office action we might have just got the lights on in time, again regardless of whether we noticed the spill and responded, or responded to the Stationary Evo's being seen. It is very close though - and this is under an assumption covered later.

    NB; Note the order is; stationary Evo's, then marshalls car parked in track, then the 'tribute' Porsche stops. Then the Megane strikes Bren, then the 'full lap' Porsche drives up Kesselchen. The gap in time between the last two is highly descriptive and influential of our safety performance here, but it appears both Meganes have stopped, one under its own power. Most people are out of the vehicles, and no one appears to be looking for Bren, perhaps fortunately.

    Noting of all the people stood trackside, only the strasi travelling safe side of barriers has a fair to reasonable chance of missing flying bits of car. Repeat fair to reasonable, he's a long way from probably-going-home until we have lights and advance warning, and even then its not a given. Everyone else is in line of fire, seemingly oblivious to standing the red hot side of a big spill. Some of those people have been coming here for a decade or more, I can't reconcile that regardless of the unpleasantness of what some of those present had encountered.

    The assumption is that office notification, then action, then system implementation is immediate. This is not necessarily true or possible. What is the time delay in calling in a problem and the light activating? There are two components; the first is human to human communication using the radio, or phone. The second is human to lighting via electronic system. How long that takes is harder to answer. The screen system is clunky. Screen activation to light, I have no idea if anyone has ever measured. They should. If
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    the answer is found to be system activation refresh frequency every 60 seconds.... it would be good to make this a lot speedier.

    With regard to the operating system, it is also required that there be a prioritisation between radio traffic. Administrative nothing takes a back seat to important emergency transmission. All good long tracks do this. Established systems can be very easily sourced if it is possible to have a jam of transmitions.

    Recognition to light deployment (at Lauda) for the 'tribute' Porsche feels unlikely. He must have taken some time up Kesselchen.

    Recognition to light deployment (at Lauda) is borderline possible here for the Meganes, but success would require unreasonably fast deployment. Aka lots of luck.

    Recognition to light deployment (at Lauda, again) for the full lap Porsche should be achievable. There is a significant amount of extra time here. Why the lights are not on makes less sense.

    How long did it take to get the light on?

    However this is based on our existing resources. These continue to omit the required lights within the Kesselchen section, of which there are at least two lights missing. Three would be a better number. 4 extra would be the number if we had a sound location and communication system, we would need to change a lot to get this.

    The two 'most missing' lights in that area are; the first somewhere between the 11km board and the 128 marshall post. A position chosen to protect the numerous Je Suis 129 incidents. The ambiguity of importance on where the second is, is unusual. Emotively a little below 132 makes sense. This is not emotive though, the location has the highest chance of being seen due to the time it would be visible and the nature of its position when users are within a long right corner. Additional or alternative.... I like the word additional, its far better!!!... locations would be after Angstkurve but before the crest, on the inside of the track, positioned to protect Klostertal. This is the least useful light of the section and risks concertina crashes though. A bit better would be positioned around 133, again 'inside' the track. The
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    section is greatly compromised by terrain, and our collective insistence it is impossible to cut any trees down!

    Thus all would be better. Because its 51 seconds gap from last warning position for a decent user. If we were switching on the the light near 132, with a back up of the 11km board - two seem reasonable given the speed and known consequences within the section, do they not? - then we would have stood an exponentially higher chance of being able to keep bad things from happening.

    None of this is a new gripe. Only the context has changed. You can also gripe that writing this on a internet forum is of little use. But then I can show you the map presented to several layers of management as far back as 2012 detailing the gaps in procedure. All of those people understand the problem but seemingly none are authorised or enabled to make changes regardless of their effectiveness or cost.

    But somewhere there is a change. The change is the purchase of marshalling equipment... and its very useful positing. This is highly positive. If something good could come from Sunday it would be adopting what is talked about within this report.... please can we do better. Sunday was rubbish.

    Further observations; track days now have a marshall positioned at 128.5 just upon the crest, but TF does not. TF has two marshalls sat on top of one another at Brunnchen 1 and 2. They can see each other for goodness sake. Perhaps someone could suggest having a look at this deployment structure.... oh.

    If by magic an entire system overhaul is coming, then someone needs to visit Spa. Its very very difficult to visit but if you're really brave, and remember to bring a note signed by your parent or guardian, as well as a passport... there is a system there of LED light boards, these can be operated locally by the relevant marshall in the vicinity. Switching is also possible by master control in the circuit control office. Should the Nordschleife get this system it would be prudent to have travelling activation functionality held both by strasi and volunteer marshalls - with proper training and a sign out system for the enabled equipment, we could cut down on time taken to warn others massively.

    Upon the adoption of a Spa style warning system, one board can easily be switched and show dual flags. Whilst any flag should raise the possibility of serious problems around the Nordschleife, we should be striving to have the most accurate information. Dumbing down the flag system to omit red and yellow (and rolling white) flags is a highly odd course of action and in direct contravention of internationally
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    recognised standards. Not training static marshalls to fly more than one information signal at a time is beyond belief. That said travelling back to a car to get a red/yellow, then returning back dowhill last Sunday is just too slow if your the only sensibly thinking operative on scene.

    ...one for the road Bat, shame it wasn't a different end :-(

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    Thanks for thanks for that Andy. Insightful as ever on all things Nurburgring related. As you said, it would be good if something, anything good could come of this. I'm sure Bren would agree.
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    very insightful. I hope they do some good of this & again I hope all close find it helpful in this difficult time
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    Thanks, Andy.

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    Thanks for sharing that extensive insight Andy!
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    People keep asking me for updates, things are happening but it's a long process, sorry.

    Here's where we are at the moment.

    There will be a Memorial Service for Bren in Cannock, UK. A date for this has yet to be set and I'll let everyone know as soon as we know.

    Everyone is welcome to the service but the burial after the service will be family only.

    Afterwards there is a large hall behind the church with a bar where the wake will be
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    Sliders was the name of his game
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    I am sorry to hear about this tragic event. Condolences to friends and family.

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    Re: The service in England for non FB'ers.

    The date for Brendan's memorial service in England has now been set, it will be at 13:00 hours on Monday July 17th. That's 1pm in old money.


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