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    I always come away from watching these with a sense of wonderment.

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    No promises, but we're aiming to get episode 10 of Project Binky ready for next Friday 31st July.

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    I bet those 4 stud hubs took a bit of effort to make.

    I'm just keen to see this running now.
    Still think it's silly wide though.

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    I bet those 4 stud hubs took a bit of effort to make.

    I'm just keen to see this running now.
    Still think it's silly wide though.
    Reckon they plug welded the threads in some Celica hubs and then turned them smooth and re-drilled them to 4 x 108.

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    Actually I think you are spot on with that about the hubs.
    That'll be why they didn't show it.

    There's an old xr2 trick of heating the steering arms up and bending them down an inch or so.
    I've been lucky & think I'm just getting away with it, although it's a future improvement.

    Not keen on those 'risers' at all.

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    Episode 11 now available

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    Adore this! Have been watching them from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Benz
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    Somewhere around 2026 this might actually be finished. The comedy thing with lots of clever fabrication was all well and good to begin with, but three years in and it's starting to chafe a bit.

    I'm sure they're very busy with work projects, but it feels suspiciously like if you gave them a brief and a budget they would want unlimited time to execute it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Hell View Post
    Somewhere around 2026 this might actually be finished. The comedy thing with lots of clever fabrication was all well and good to begin with, but three years in and it's starting to chafe a bit.

    I'm sure they're very busy with work projects, but it feels suspiciously like if you gave them a brief and a budget they would want unlimited time to execute it!
    Agreed

    I think that they are more interested in the building it though rather than the driving it
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    I see it more as a case of 'the Cobbler's children'.
    Setting time aside to make a proper job of this (and film it to this standard) must be difficult when you run an actual business that is probably paying your mortgage and not a lot more.

    I'd be more inclined to use their services than those of a pair of flat-brim wearing MTV wannabes who bang out a siiick boooost project in a month or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian H View Post
    Agreed

    I think that they are more interested in the building it though rather than the driving it
    There's a term for this: BENDers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian H View Post
    Agreed

    I think that they are more interested in the building it though rather than the driving it

    This is it. When they were doing the arb mounting bracket my first thought was I bet they could cut that off the old shell and use, but oh no cue lots of faffing.

    When they actually get to running it they'll then hit real world problems like running too hot and scoops flying off etc.

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    Without BENDers, mechanical spazs wouldn't be able to drive anything bespoke.

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    I like it - mainly because my g/f enjoys watching it with me. It's very educational for her, having not understood what a free-flowing manifold was before watching it

    Mind you, she was somewhat surprised when I said there was a scene which involved two blokes and a rotisserie.....
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    I still can't see how they're going to make the proportions work. They've not done anything to the shell to hide the inevitable 14" plus wheel sizing have they? (They might have done but it was so damn long ago I can't remember, or be arsed to check).

    Mini's can only just get away with 13's.
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    The guys and the car will be at Goodwood this year, the might or mightn't be finished by then. Details on their website
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    One of the most disappointing episodes yet. How did they drag out that work to fill an entire episode ?

    I agree with those above, whilst it was great at the beginning with some of the major fabrication, this is just more of the same.


    I enjoy watching them, appreciate their endeavors and know they work but come on guys, get a move on !

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesW View Post
    I still can't see how they're going to make the proportions work. They've not done anything to the shell to hide the inevitable 14" plus wheel sizing have they? (They might have done but it was so damn long ago I can't remember, or be arsed to check).

    Mini's can only just get away with 13's.
    One of the most important considerations is wheelbase to width ratio.

    Off the top of my head
    Sapphire1.75 to 1
    Impreza 1.6 to 1
    DS3 WRC 1.55 to 1

    This mini I think came away in at 1.3 to 1 or similar.

    I suggest this is way too short.
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    It's a road car, not a race project. Lighten up lads, summer's almost here
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesW View Post
    I still can't see how they're going to make the proportions work. They've not done anything to the shell to hide the inevitable 14" plus wheel sizing have they? (They might have done but it was so damn long ago I can't remember, or be arsed to check).

    Mini's can only just get away with 13's.
    Why can't it run on 13s? It's retained a 4-stud hub and plenty of wide options from caterham type stuff for tyres.

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    Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrakes.
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    Shut it peasants. Ive been woitning on episode 12 for ages. Their skills are very good - never mind practicality, very few people could get this to work and have it be so well executed.

    Keep at it fellas.
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    I'd love to be able to weld like that.

    I used to love cutting out bits of tin and forming panels to weld into my Sunbeam, every MOT. But the welding was never, ever pretty.

    Fancy a night class or something, might see if there's anything going, no - wait. Who am I kidding? A son who's swimming 40k a month just in training and a daughter who's discovered dance, gymnastics and trampoline classes? Free time? Not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren Langeveld View Post
    I'd love to be able to weld like that.

    I used to love cutting out bits of tin and forming panels to weld into my Sunbeam, every MOT. But the welding was never, ever pretty.

    Fancy a night class or something, might see if there's anything going, no - wait. Who am I kidding? A son who's swimming 40k a month just in training and a daughter who's discovered dance, gymnastics and trampoline classes? Free time? Not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren Langeveld View Post
    I'd love to be able to weld like that.

    I used to love cutting out bits of tin and forming panels to weld into my Sunbeam, every MOT. But the welding was never, ever pretty.

    Fancy a night class or something, might see if there's anything going, no - wait. Who am I kidding? A son who's swimming 40k a month just in training and a daughter who's discovered dance, gymnastics and trampoline classes? Free time? Not.
    I had this but now I have house DIY instead! Love to do welding and bricklaying/plastering.
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    I enjoy these and can understand why they are slow..... Filming must be a pita. When I do
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    I would imagine his work level has gone through the roof from this project and I can't imagine YouTube ad's pay as much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nige View Post
    I enjoy watching them, appreciate their endeavors and know they work but come on guys, get a move on !
    I see you agreeing with me again.

    *awkward*

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    It's a road car, not a race project. Lighten up lads, summer's almost here
    Is it?

    [broken record]be interesting seeing them get it through IVA[/broken record]

    Even if it's a rally car (which is where they came at this from IIRC) it'll need to be road-registered and it's definitely 'substantially altered'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond hell View Post
    is it?

    [broken record]be interesting seeing them get it through iva[/broken record]
    i asked them and they said yes to an iva test

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossie View Post
    i asked them and they said yes to an iva test


    Looking forward to the coverage of that.
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    Heaps of man hours, skill and craftsmanship goes into a build, and you look forward to the IVA test, like you've got something to prove?

    How odd.

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    It's not odd, it's just that getting vehicles through an IVA test is something I have a significant interest in (for a variety of reasons) and it's also something that is often skipped over, or omitted in big projects like this.

    As a result, it seems people sometimes charge into hacking about vehicles without understanding the rules they need to meet to get the vehicle legally back on the road.

    If you're going to do 'amazing fabrication' on a road going vehicle then you need to do it with one eye on the IVA manual to ensure what you're doing will be legally allowed on the road.

    I can't imagine anything worse than getting to the end of a project, only to find there's no way of it ever legally being allowed on the road and there's a regular parade of such unfinished projects through ebay where people have forgotten this 'minor' detail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Hell View Post
    As a result, it seems people sometimes charge into hacking about vehicles without understanding the rules they need to meet to get the vehicle legally back on the road.
    Oh yeah, these guys are really 'charging in', aren't they They're the polar opposite of West Coast Customs / Gas Monkey Garage, and have already shown plenty of foresight in many areas on that car. I think they understand plenty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesW View Post
    Awesome fabrication, but.... it won't look right in the end.

    These conversions always look odd because of the dainty little mini silhouette (and the need to run 15 inch wheels at minimum).
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    I still can't see how they're going to make the proportions work. They've not done anything to the shell to hide the inevitable 14" plus wheel sizing have they? (They might have done but it was so damn long ago I can't remember, or be arsed to check).

    Mini's can only just get away with 13's.
    So, James, do you think it will look awesome or what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N/B View Post
    I think they understand plenty.
    I'm not accusing them of NOT understanding plenty, but making a point of the significance of making something legally able to be used on the road is important and not mentioned so far..... unless that's their 'secret sauce' as a company...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Mac View Post
    So, James, do you think it will look awesome or what?
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    Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrakes.
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    But seriously, there's plenty of AP Racing setups for 13" wheels for stuff like Escorts - this Mini will still be light so a set of those all round will be enough IMO, you don't need bin lids to stop a small car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Hell View Post
    I'm not accusing them of NOT understanding plenty, but making a point of the significance of making something legally able to be used on the road is important and not mentioned so far..... unless that's their 'secret sauce' as a company...
    This is, annoyingly and with feck all effect on road safety, correct. For years we have all largely ignored rules, that authorities failed to structure to allow what is and was actually happening. It appears the 'rules' have been written to deny as much as possible - in the name of pseudo safety - whilst making it appear we are administered by a bunch of reasonable types who think of the fluffy kittens more than I. Its not true, obstructive bunch of so and so's with a hidden agenda and stuff all clue about what can be made to work.

    I changed the engine in the M3, as you may know it suffered internal damage that took some time to sort out. In the interim it used a 323 engine. Everything lines up, no hassle at all. I voiced the thought I should change the engine number and capacity as there seemed to be nothing to be gained from not saying anything.... how wrong. It would appear I am fine to work on your car for work, but am not able to change things on my own car without unleashing death by paperwork.

    Just a shame we appear to be unable to influence govt departments to allow reasonable behavior to continue.
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