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Nige
13-03-2008, 10:40 PM
After driving down Tuesday evening, I met up with Simon at the Travellodge, we went for a meal and couple of beers then called it a night.

Early start, breakfast at Little Chef then drove 2 miles to Carlimits, whilst waiting for Andy to arrive, Nick let me know he was stuck in traffic and would be a little bit late.

Nick arrived, unloaded the Golf then as it was a very windy day, he demonstrated what he does for a living :D
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Landing demonstration...
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Simon used the time waiting to increase the pressure in his tyres.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/IMG_0024.jpg

So did Nick
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Andy took me out first, initially I accelerated in a straight line, then did an emergency brake when he told me to. I skidded, then cadence braked until I stopped. I was reasonably pleased with it, but the surface was very bumpy. When I tried to start the engine, it turned over and wouldnt start, at all :blink: . I explained to Andy this had never happened before (it hadnt), I dont think he believed me. Phoned Floyd who came to pick up Andy, who then towed me back with his van. Nick rang Gareth to see if there was a fuel cut-out in the event of a crash (there wasnt). I checked fuel by loosening the union under the bonnet and fuel came out, so it was something to do with the Ignition. Removed the distibutor cap and the rotor arm had moved slightly and wasnt fully engaged on the shaft, pressed it back on, refitted the dizzy cap and it started, what a relief !!!

Andy explained that we would be tackling the `high speed bend`. This is a straight approach, then when you pass 2 cones, you turn left, imagining the gulley ahead is a `wall` so try and steer to avoid it. I managed 50mph easily :lol: , then you increase the speed until you start spinning or have to try and `recover` the slide. Nick didnt spin, but instead of braking after recovering the car, he kept accelerating and ended up stopping several hundred yards further down the track than anyone else :lol:
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Recovering the Golf
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/Stanningley_0061-1.jpg

Simon tried it and found the front wheel was fouling the wing, which meant he couldnt apply full lock ..
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/Stanningley_0088-1.jpg

Floyd didnt spin much at first, the 4-wheel drive trickery of the Impreza meant it did everything for him :whistle:

I managed to lose control regularly. I think this was the idea, to pass your limit and try and find out why.... :huh: Anyway, after finding that I kept spinning at 70mph+, Andy jumped in and told me to stop trying to `recover` the car, to simply drive to the cones with ONE FINGER on the steering wheel, turn left with my feet OFF the pedals.I did this at 70mph, the wheel bucked a bit and the car went round the corner without losing control :o We all did this exercise and it was bloody weird !

Andy was sat in with Nick and asked why he`d accelerated when the car was starting to spin, `well, I was using the power to catch it...`, Andy reminded Nick of the imaginary wall and asked if he would still have accelerated when heading to a solid wall.. "errr..." :lol:

We stopped and had a break for a mid-morning coffee. Here is floyd carrying a cup :whistle: http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/IMG_0026Medium.jpg

We all found the `take your feet OFF the pedals and steer with just ONE finger` a bit strange, but it showed us that the car would try and sort itself out, we were actually mucking it up :lol:

I hit a limit of 80mph and I couldn't get round the bend without losing control and spinning. I told Andy that no matter wheat I did, 80 was my limit, he drove and at 80 struggled to make the turn. It was the limit for my car for that exercise. He then showed me how to get round the corner at 85 without spinning, I couldn't go much faster as the approach wasn't long enough for me to get up any more speed :lol: Braking WHILST turning was a very odd experience, but I could start the turn at 85 and recover the car through the corner by braking HARD and not trying to stop the car doing what it wanted. It opened all our eyes to what we`d been doing wrong all this time.

We queued on the exit of the corner, drove to the start then took it in turns to tackle the `bend`
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/IMG_0030.jpg

Between exercises we sheltered from the wind in Andys van
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/IMG_0039.jpg

After Lunch Floyd swapped his tyres from front to rear, I reckon we did it easily in under 10 mins
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/IMG_0032.jpg

Simon still couldn't get out of the Subaru owners habit of opening the bonnet when people were around :whistle:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/Stanningley_0112.jpg

Nick span and when the car was going backwards, the engine also started running backwards, being the mechanically sympathetic person he is, he just kept it nailed. Andy suggested he press the clutch as the noise the engine was making was NOT normal and keeping his foot it wasnt helping. After it running Backwards, it didnt sound healthy, boost pressure was gone and Nick thought that once again, his leaden feet had caused yet another engine / turbo to expire. Using his technical know how, Nick sat and revved the nuts off the car in the carpark to see if it would `blow any crap out`, well, either any crap or the valves.... When that didnt work, a quick "please help me, I`ve broken it again" call to Gareth and the diagnosis was that the timing belt may have jumped a tooth as the tensioner went slack when the engine reversed.

We were going to look at it, but Andy suggested a visit to a neighbouring subaru tuners, Nick set off and then returned after a while, he`d spoken to Gareth again and between them they had diagnosed a pipe that had popped off. what a relief !

The afternoon session involved going round in circles, making ourselves feel sick and learning to control the turning radius with the throttle. Oh and we learned about `slip angles too` B)

Nick thought it would be very impressive to take a photo of under his bonnet with the wind holding it open, needless to say, everytime he stood back to take the pic, the wind dropped and the bonnet slammed shut :lol:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/Stanningley_0121.jpg

Nick went first for the driving in circles exercise and the G-forces twisted the chassis and caused the front grille to drop off, thats what Nick said, I just think it wasnt secured properly....
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The slip angles part meant to rest of us were sat around for along time and we sat in the van and talked whilst waiting.

The last part of the day involved Andy showing us round a `course`, setting a time then we had a go in our cars, using the techniques we`d learned during the day. He set a time in my car and after looking at his watch proclaimed "55 seconds", My best was 1:04. (I watched the video and his time was a 1:02 :whistle: )
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We all took it in turns driving the course.

Simons Car sounded great and looked very nice on track
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/Stanningley_0149.jpg

Floyd on 3 wheels !
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As usual, Nick couldnt simply drive the course like everyone else. When Andy was driving, the boot opened, at speed, it started to close, reducing drag..
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/Stanningley_0226.jpg

Then opened like the air-brake on the SLR when slowing :lol:
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They stopped to change drivers, the wind started blowing the car backwards and they both needed to push to stop it dissapearing down the runway.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/Stanningley_0350.jpg

Then his grille dropped off again....
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/Stanningley_0436.jpg

Afterwards, we all took turned as passengers in each others car, Simon had the back end sliding very nicely on a few occasions, but is was nicely controlled and progressive, he recovered with no fuss. That car should be brilliant on track once he gets used to it. :thumb:

I only had 1 lap with Floyd, but was very impressed with how effortlessly the car goes very quickly, all the time and effort he has put into it has created a very capable car.

Rather than taking Nick in mine, I let him drive. The springs are quite soft and the car was very bouncy on the rough airfield circuit, he still drove it quickly and according to Andy, set the same time as me after 3 laps !

I then had a go in Nicks car, I was not being able to reach the pedals unless I sat perched on the front of the seat !, everything seemed to happen much faster than in mine, the engine pulls so quickly, I seemed to spend more time changing gear than anything else (getting 4th instead of 2nd too often too.) I only drove it for 3 laps so couldn't fully appreciate the differences, but the acceleration was something else !

Our cars
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our cars and us...
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We set off for home at 17:00, I was greeted with this sign
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/carlimits/IMG_0048.jpg

finally arrived home at 21:50 :(

Enjoyable experience, certainly appreciated the space to experiment and find the limits of the car, the recovery techniques were very impressive. The afternoon session seemed less enjoyable, most of the time seemed spent sat watching one of the others driving in circles. That seems a petty comment, but after the morning session, the afternoon felt a bit of a let down.

Andy is definitely a very talented driver and I`d like to think I came away having learned more about controlling my car and what it is doing underneath me. :thumb:

leavingeasy
13-03-2008, 11:17 PM
Nige, I have just started crying with laughter, brilliant report as always and I think really summed up the day.

Four mates, on an airfield, taking the piss out of each other and destroying tyres. What could be better.

Having slept on the day I can now see what Andy was trying to teach. If I had any criticism its that whilst Andy is clearly very talented and his car feel is amazing (he went around that bend at 80mph using one finger AND he was sat in the passenger seat!) he never spelled out what the purpose of the exercise was or clearly explained what we were doing. All of us would sit in the van bemused wondering what exactly we were trying to prove.

That said, I did find the sweet spot on my car for the first time and understood how I got there, had a pax lap in Floyds car (it pains me how good his car is and he's not bad at pedaling either) I drove Nige's car which was interesting as his and mine are soooooooo different whilst be basically the same (and it sounds fabulous!) and I had the pleasure of watching Simon fishtail the Bimmer for maybe 4 or 5 ever increasing arcs :lol:

Conclusions?

Nige- sort the pedals out on your car and you will be able to heel and toe.

Simon- get some negative camber on the front

Floyd- wow whatta car (teachers pet)

Me- all the time I blamed my shitty exit speeds at Bedford on the car, it was my own fault. Bugger it. C'mon Pooky let's try again, I'll catch you this time!!!! Very humbling actually, nobody likes being shown they are not brilliant!!!

Would I do it again?

At North Weald probably not, but if I could have him with me on a track day- that would be invaluable.

Oh and Nige- he told me he did 55 secs in my car (it was 1:01) he told me I did 1:03 (it was 1:01). That said, he couldnt reach the pedals, although he could find 2nd gear!!!

Tony
14-03-2008, 12:19 AM
Great write u guys - looks like you had fun :thumb:

If they ever do one nearer this neck of the woods I'd definately be on for it ;)

leavingeasy
14-03-2008, 05:49 AM
Managed to get that bonnet shot tho Nige!

Look no hands!

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p271/20vt_project/IMG_0898.jpg

Nige
14-03-2008, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by leavingeasy@Mar 14 2008, 12:17 AM
Having slept on the day I can now see what Andy was trying to teach. If I had any criticism its that whilst Andy is clearly very talented .... he never spelled out what the purpose of the exercise was or clearly explained what we were doing. All of us would sit in the van bemused wondering what exactly we were trying to prove.

I drove Nige's car which was interesting as his and mine are soooooooo different whilst be basically the same (and it sounds fabulous!)
I totally agree, if he`d told us what were were actually learning, I feel it would have made it much more useful, him just showing us what to do, then moving onto someone else didnt really get the point across in the best way. I was thinking about it on the way home and if he`d explained the goal better at the time, I`d probably have asked some more questions there.

He has a lot of knowledge to share, the practical demonstrations were very very good, but he didnt back it up as much with discussion in the van.

My springs were far too soft for that bumpy, grippy surface, the car seemed to be bouncing about far more than i`ve ever experienced before :blink: It was quite unnerving at times... Its not something I`ve ever experienced at the ring, Cadwell or Bedford, so I`ll leave it alone, but if I find I have the same feeling on other circuits, I`ll just get some stiffer springs as necessary.

Simon said it sounded nice from the outside too, its that new exhaust you see ;)

Gary Kinghorn
14-03-2008, 06:31 AM
Looks like a great day. I will do something like this soon

Weeman
14-03-2008, 06:48 AM
That looked great Pmsl at all of oakies calamities what a star LOL

Great write up Nige

Simon
14-03-2008, 08:04 AM
Excellent write up, Nige :thumb: . There really is no need to do one of my own with you around, it won't be a patch on it :( .

I think that I have drawn the same conclusions after sleeping on it. As Andy said, email any questions or thoughts to him. It would be worth doing that with the comments from this report as next time I would like to benefit more.

Would definatly recomend a driver training day with him thou, cornering without any foot inputs and 1 finger on the steering wheel does show you what your car can do without any idiot driver input :lol:

Floyd
14-03-2008, 08:13 AM
Great report Nige, as always B) I echo what others have said in that if Andy had explained the end goal of each exercise then we would have known what to expect and do. I think heís done so many days like this that heís probably become like a telesales person in what he tells you. That said he teaches you to unlearn what you have learned and open our eyes to what the cars can do without our hamfisted attempts at controlling them :pokefun:

I didnít ask Andy what time he got in my car (Andy has a Subaru too BTW) and he said I got a 1:04 so not bad. Iíve seen my car barely lift a wheel but not to that extent! I now know that I have to dial out the tail happy over steer from my car on fast tracks as even Andy canít recover it once itís gone ;) I also know that spinning is easy to correct when you get it right but impossible if you reach full lockÖ :whistle: Ending a fish tail episode needs lightning reactions and I need to anticipate earlier returning the wheel to straight ahead (I think I managed a 4 or 5 arc jobbie once with smoke to match) :smack:

Nick's car IS fast (and funny) and he drives it beyond the limit everywhere :thumb: Nigeís is very capable and sounds better than it should B) but Simon has managed to build a monster track car for peanuts, which also sounds glorious Ė heíll have a lot of fun in this car (and so will I ;) ).

I was exhausted after that day but well worth it for the company, camaraderie and fun. B)

One thing though is what the hell do I do now at SX? :blink:

Weeman
14-03-2008, 08:19 AM
Simon letting you drive a car with right wheel drive, OMG, he's a brave man.

jon_r
14-03-2008, 08:30 AM
Great report Nige, a very enjoyable read. I was chuckling at Nick's Golf. :D

bimmer
14-03-2008, 08:43 AM
Excellent report :thumb:

Nige
14-03-2008, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by Floyd@Mar 14 2008, 09:13 AM
Simon has managed to build a monster track car for peanuts, which also sounds glorious.
Just watching it and sitting in the passenger seat has made me now seriously consider one of these as my next project. I`ll wait and see what his running costs are this year, but it was mighty impressive from what I saw.

Floyd
14-03-2008, 10:09 AM
I've still got some way to go to finish my car so I'll be sticking with it for the time being. The next car would be like Simon's B)

Gary Kinghorn
14-03-2008, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Floyd@Mar 14 2008, 09:13 AM
Great report Nige, as always B) I echo what others have said in that if Andy had explained the end goal of each exercise then we would have known what to expect and do. I think heís done so many days like this that heís probably become like a telesales person in what he tells you. That said he teaches you to unlearn what you have learned and open our eyes to what the cars can do without our hamfisted attempts at controlling them :pokefun:

I didnít ask Andy what time he got in my car (Andy has a Subaru too BTW) and he said I got a 1:04 so not bad. Iíve seen my car barely lift a wheel but not to that extent! I now know that I have to dial out the tail happy over steer from my car on fast tracks as even Andy canít recover it once itís gone ;) I also know that spinning is easy to correct when you get it right but impossible if you reach full lockÖ :whistle: Ending a fish tail episode needs lightning reactions and I need to anticipate earlier returning the wheel to straight ahead (I think I managed a 4 or 5 arc jobbie once with smoke to match) :smack:

Nick's car IS fast (and funny) and he drives it beyond the limit everywhere :thumb: Nigeís is very capable and sounds better than it should B) but Simon has managed to build a monster track car for peanuts, which also sounds glorious Ė heíll have a lot of fun in this car (and so will I ;) ).

I was exhausted after that day but well worth it for the company, camaraderie and fun. B)

One thing though is what the hell do I do now at SX? :blink:
Some good comments there :thumb:

GVK
14-03-2008, 05:43 PM
Looks like you had a good laugh :thumb:

Floyd
14-03-2008, 06:05 PM
That's an amazing picture of Simons car with the wheel smoking because of the arch rubbing :thumb:

I haven't experienced wind like that on the airfield in a while (no sniggering at the back please) :whistle:

leavingeasy
14-03-2008, 07:51 PM
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p271/20vt_project/IMG_0897.jpg

Louise
14-03-2008, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by leavingeasy@Mar 14 2008, 08:51 PM
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p271/20vt_project/IMG_0897.jpg
oh god!

when Nige looks like this into the bonnet of a car, it usually means he spends the next week in the 1/2 built garage taking the engine all to bits again......

I am buying him a new bed and kettle for his birthday, and then he can move into the garage permanently!

:thumb:

crossie
14-03-2008, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by Louise@Mar 14 2008, 09:47 PM
oh god!

when Nige looks like this into the bonnet of a car, it usually means he spends the next week in the 1/2 built garage taking the engine all to bits again......

I am buying him a new bed and kettle for his birthday, and then he can move into the garage permanently!

:thumb:
LMAO @ Louise comment!


Looks like you lads had fun!!

alclark
15-03-2008, 08:28 AM
Looks like a fascinating day out! Great report as ever Nige!

It was very interesting to see the differences between this and other limit's type days.

I did a day with Ben Elliot last year, (again air field, cones etc), and did excercises in different ways, starting with basics (to see how competent you were in the car), followed by a slalom, deliberately causing the car to over steer, and under steer, and then introducing different techniques to get the car round. The concentrating on brake control, learning to brake as late as possible and control the maximum power of the brakes without locking up.
Then, we combined the two to learn how to pivot the car under braking to get maximum grip (not necessarily balance) around a hairpin, followed by a high speed 100mph slalom, and a sprint track.

It was good fun, and I'd absolutely recommend it, it was infinitely helpful as Nick and Nige say about getting the point of an exercise explained; it's all very good an well doing a slalom, but if your just driving it and not learning it, you may as well do it on your own for free.

Good stuff! :D

GVK
15-03-2008, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by alclark@Mar 15 2008, 09:28 AM
learning to brake as late as possible and control the maximum power of the brakes without locking up.

That is one area that I know I'm crap at, but in my defence, you have to be a bit careful with old Golf brakes as they don't like 'too much' punishment on track, even with decent pads fluid, etc.

I remember Ian V going around Oulton with an instructor, in my view, Ian was a late hard braker anyway, but the guy was telling him to be even later, even harder on the brakes :blink:

alclark
15-03-2008, 09:02 AM
Yup, I was quite suprised how late it could be done, at the start of the day, I was dipping the clutch and increasing my brake pressure progressively, and was braking in perhaps 4 times the length he was, then after an hour of tuition I was standing on the brakes HARD straight away, down shifting with heel and toe through all the gears (not skipping any), and then lifting the brakes, and just before they completely disengage beginning the turn (so the front wheels are still loaded sightly) had the little '5 pulling up in no distance at all and flinging round the slower corners faster than I'd ever expected.

Apparently it's the one thing that everyone in the world can improve, and I can see why!

leavingeasy
15-03-2008, 09:15 AM
one area Andy emphasised was the ability to get around a corner on the brakes,

it was interesting entering a corner at 90mph that previously had me spinning at 75mph; if i braked too hard the car understeered, if i came off the brakes too early the car span, if i got it right, the car went around the corner tighter and faster than i'd have thought possible!

alclark
15-03-2008, 09:46 AM
It also proves that you don't need posh brakes to stop fast (although repeated stopping is different), :D

Duncan
15-03-2008, 09:51 AM
Great report Nige - looks like a worthwhile day out B)

Nige
15-03-2008, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by dynamix@Mar 15 2008, 10:51 AM
Great report Nige - looks like a worthwhile day out B)
It was.

Andy was telling us of a meeting on a track the other week, where he was passing much more powerful / well setup cars in his standard road car, the other drivers could not believe he only had standard power / tyres. I think it shows that one of the best car performance improvements you can ever make is the one sat behind the wheel. You could spend £1,000`s and if the driver is a muppet, it still wont go quickly.

Steve Gill was saying the same to me the other day, if starting again, he`d improve his skills before the car.

I`d suggest any driver training is worthwhile. :thumb:

GVK
15-03-2008, 02:45 PM
Absolutely right Nige :thumb:

I had a couple of sessions of instruction with Ian Carvell at Donington, a few years back (ex vw cup champion, mk2 golf race series 2007 champion, ARDS instructor etc) and although he said my car control was 'ok' he gave me some great tips on the line and technique, also spurred me on to learn h+t which I have done. Well worth doing.

GVK
15-03-2008, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by leavingeasy@Mar 14 2008, 12:17 AM
Very humbling actually, nobody likes being shown they are not brilliant!!!


Haha exactly why more people don't get driver training... :D

rolty
16-03-2008, 06:01 PM
Great write up guys - looked like you had a blast. I'm beginning to wonder if Nick does anything seriously :lol:

Floyd
16-03-2008, 06:46 PM
It would be very dull if he was ;)

leavingeasy
16-03-2008, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by rolty@Mar 16 2008, 08:01 PM
Great write up guys - looked like you had a blast. I'm beginning to wonder if Nick does anything seriously :lol:
Ouch.

Fair point :thumb:

I do try honestly.......!!

t2rew
16-03-2008, 09:05 PM
ive been on this north weald day a couple of times and i didnt get the high speed corner thing untill the end of the second one.

i thought the idea was how fast can you go round the corner :whistle: he told me about the one finger on the wheel too. he obviously hadn't driven my rx7. it wants to drive straight and you really have to grip and turn the wheel. i aproached the corner turned and held it with one finger, it straightend up i gripped it and turned then span 180, foot down, going backwards at about 80, wheels spinning, smoke bellowing.. :shame:

later that day i blow the engine.

next time i brought the e36. better tires on the back than the front so it understeered everywhere and i didnt enjoy it all day. then the fan cowl worked loose and stopped the fan, then it boiled over. im not a lover of these days :(

it looks like you only had 4 cars. i had about 25 so there was much to much waiting around too.

lizard
16-03-2008, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by t2rew@Mar 16 2008, 10:05 PM

it looks like you only had 4 cars. i had about 25 so there was much to much waiting around too.
Completly diferent days mate, ive done a couple of the walshy multi car activity days, indeed lots of folks there, but in the afternoon with 3 difernt circuits running its far better & more spread out, excellent fun but not really comparble with the type of day these guys did, its for fun rather than real learning & hell of a lot cheaper too.


Nige I know what you mean about car being odd there, did 1 day in my golfy there & it was horrble just diddnt suit the surface or layout at all & just felt nasty, no such issues on proper tracks tho.

With rwd however well I put cack old road tyres on my e30, bigger on front & skinny on rear for full sideways sillyness & blimey what a laugh, about the most fun you can have with yr clothes on :P

Gary Kinghorn
17-03-2008, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by leavingeasy@Mar 15 2008, 10:15 AM
one area Andy emphasised was the ability to get around a corner on the brakes,

it was interesting entering a corner at 90mph that previously had me spinning at 75mph; if i braked too hard the car understeered, if i came off the brakes too early the car span, if i got it right, the car went around the corner tighter and faster than i'd have thought possible!
Where the hell do you practise this to get confident enough to do it on-track though............On the entry to SX perhaps :whistle:

Floyd
17-03-2008, 11:59 AM
That's my problem Gary. Do I brake later into SX now and continue to brake in the corner, or do I brake as normal and coast around it at 110mph with one finger on the wheel and my feet on the floor away from the pedals? :lol: :lol: :lol: Imagine the look on my passengers face with either method :pokefun:

Weeman
17-03-2008, 02:07 PM
You brake for SX poof. :lol:

Simon
17-03-2008, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Weeman@Mar 17 2008, 03:07 PM
You brake for SX poof. :lol:
lol. Only in his own car :blink:

Floyd
17-03-2008, 04:21 PM
I broke in your car..didn't I? :whistle:

Simon
17-03-2008, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by Floyd@Mar 17 2008, 05:21 PM
I broke in your car..didn't I? :whistle:
:fish: . Dunno. My eyes were shut after T13 :lol:

Darren Langeveld
17-03-2008, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by GVK+Mar 15 2008, 03:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GVK @ Mar 15 2008, 03:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-leavingeasy@Mar 14 2008, 12:17 AM
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Haha exactly why more people don&#39;t get driver training... :D [/b][/quote]
Well worth doing - we use some Grade A ARDS guys from time to time, I always get a few laps with one of them sat next to me.

I&#39;m no Senna, but I am tasked with coaching trackday users and braking is the single one skill most people need to work on.

Floyd
17-03-2008, 09:21 PM
Braking? Not me, i&#39;m perfect at it :wave: