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Weeman
03-03-2008, 07:45 AM
First trip of the year was here, awoke friday night to howling winds in clog land, didn't think all that much of it, and went back to sleep.

9am Saturday, the phone rings, its chris172cup, JonR got to within 10 miles of the eurotunnel and turned back with a mild dose of man flu, taking TBR tom with him. Chris had made it to the eurotunnel, wise choice, due to the weather and the french communists striking again, the m20 was a lorry park. They were told they could only get on the 11am train, but after a bout of eyelash batting they managed to squeeze onto the 9am.

I thought i'd set off an hour or so later as there ETA was around 2pm. Set off in the Bmw and made good time, roads were empty, I was in Adenau by 1,15 pm. Went straight up to the track, noticing a number of trees lying on the road up the hill. Track was closed, only around 5 cars there including some of the nice chaps from Nurburgring nl. I popped into the office, they told me that they had about 6 trees on the track and god knows how much debris, no chance it would be open today, good chance it would be open at 8am sunday, but possibly ten if they have to do some more clearing up.

Went upto the Ringhuis, called Hans, who came down and let me in, showed me to the room, and said if I needed anything I just had to call and he'd be there ASAP, But as we were the only guests, I told him that I wouldn't bother him unless we were dying of thirst :lol:

Chris and Linds turned up in the clio cup, and we set about fitting the snap off steering wheel boss I'd ordered. That went on ok, but its now hornless for the time being as the bracket to fix it wouldn't fit with the new boss set up. Steering wheel is now touring car stylee, and 6cms closer than before.

"what are we going to do?"

"Get pissed".

I bedded down in the back of the clio (2 seats only) for the quick drive to Adenau, where we had a burger, then about 3.30 pm we headed off to the comfy corner. Set your watch by it, karl rolls in at 4pm, with a massive bren induced hangover from the night before. He actually struggles to get the first few beers down, but the second wind arrived finally :lol: Jorg joined us and we had a fun chat, re counting tales of my stupidity.

About 6pm, in rolls a grey haired, soul glowed chap with a massive porn style moustache, karl says quietly " Oh no, this guys the local madman, for gods sake dont let on I speak german" When I return from a trip to the toilet said madman, has his arms around chris and linds and is muttering something along the lines of " ahhhh Englanders, Ich liebe England, LIVERPOOL, BEATLES" He keeps getting "sccchhhhhhhhhh" from behind the bar, but he carries on regardless. " God he stinks" exclaims chris, " that would be because he lives in the woods" Karl informs us.
A random German man at the bar leans across and says in understandable German " have you ever seen that program cat weasel?" :lol: :lol:

Then he starts singing away, until he's scchhhhhhed again. He takes a liking to young Lindsey, rubbing his ear, and playing with his hair, much to our amusement. About 7pm the taxi we ordered turns up, karl decides to leave at the same time, as I get up I shake the man from the woods hand, Linds goes to do the same and gets a full hug, every person in the bar pissed themselves laughing, Linds couldn't get out of the door fast enough. Not helped when on the way home, I said " can you imagine lindsey, this guy follows us back to the ringhius and your awoken by him in the middle of the night, with the two of us tied up in a corner with an orange in our mouth" " lock that fcuking door" were his last words before bed.

Taxi ride back up the hill was just as funny, with the nice taxi lady laughing away, asking if we had just met the local "village idiot" Taxi kreft I believe was the name, reccomended if you need a bus home, as she was really funny, and at 12 euros, pretty cheap i'd say.

We had a shower and quick change, and went to a nearly empty PK, for a steak. The dutch guys were in with a few others, then in walks Mr Gill and Jochen, Steve was out to check on the renovations on the west wing of his chateux, or something like that. Had a great chat with them, then retired to bedfordshire, in an empty Ringhuis.


Up at 8, still wet, still windy, not holding out much hope. Had another "POWER" shower, it had the pressure of niagra falls, Chris came out exclaiming he'd lost all of his skin like a snake, quiet possibly the most evil shower in the world, if only cat weasel could of had one, it would of blown the soul glo from his 60's hair style.

Went down to Adenau to pick up chris's car, on the way back up the hill, the bmw, found itself sideways round both of the hairpins " uhmmmm bit slippy today"
Went into the office to get a ticket, " how is it out there today?" " very slippy" was the response, ok I'll take it steady then * kiss of death*.

Set off for the first lap with chris following the Bmw, take it steady, with the exception of AF, where I decided to have a little play, but not being the worlds best drifter and still not fitting the LSD I have, I didn't go mad. Track was still covered with debris and the car was squirming around, even at pedestrian speeds. Approached the bend before the mini K, 4th gear, down into 3rd, only carrying 3 or 4k revs, turned in nice and gentle and....................... Away it went very little throttle, no brakes, gear change done long before, it started sliding quickly away, mid way around the corner, to quick to catch, but I tried. It ended up facing back towards the apex, level with the armco, I braked once it was backwards and straight, but it was too late as it was already armco bound BANG!!!!! Scrape etc. Car stopped. Chris had stopped to see if I was ok, but he carried on. Had a quick look at the car, bumper cracked and dented, with some paint gone, and a big black smear down the armco, I breathed a sigh of relief as I realised the bumper had only left plastic on the armco and not a dent.

I called it in anyway, telling the office, the car is fine, not leaking anything etc, and i'll come in and let them know the details. I parked up by the office, they came out had a look at the car, then Benny the marshall came round and said, come with me, we'll go have a look. I sat in the back of the marshalls car,l strapped myself in and they said " ok here we go" In went the carnaval music CD, and what followed was one of the funniest laps I've ever had, laughing and joking away." carnavals finished hasn't it" "not for us it hasn't" hahahaha

When we got round I showed them where and they stopped had a quick look and said " thats fine, no proper damage, No bill today" PHEW. When I got back I said thanks for the free lap, and went back to the car.

I went straight out for another lap, then I spoke with Dale, who said he'd show me the wet lines, what followed was a fantastic lap in the popping and banging sideways mazda, on more than one occasion Dale had to stop himself " oh hold on I wont drift this one, i'm suppose to show you the wet lines" :lol: Great lap, thanks Dale, I need one of those mazdas ASAP.

Had a chat with some other nice uk chaps in the car park, went out for another couple of laps, last lap, I tried to showboat on the exit of AF, but my heavy foot and lack of talent, resulted in a laughing 360, and we went full circle, still on track and carried on. :lol:

WE called it a day after that lap, track was drying but there were some rain clouds hanging, and chris made a run for an earlier train .

Not the greatest of all trips in hindsight, but a learning one, and a funny one.

Thanks to everyone at Gmbh, who must of worked hard to get the track open for sunday, and thanks to them again, for being nice and understanding and friendly on sunday morning.

Thanks to hans at the ringhuis for being very friendly and accomodating.

Thanks to Dale for the lap, Stevey G and Jochen for being friendly faces in an empty restaurant, and Karl again, for his company in the CC, which is always a highlight of any trip.

Karl
03-03-2008, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by Weeman@Mar 3 2008, 10:45 AM
Approached the bend before the mini K, 4th gear, down into 3rd, only carrying 3 or 4k revs, turned in nice and gentle and....................... Away it went very little throttle, no brakes, gear change done long before, it started sliding quickly away, mid way around the corner, to quick to catch, but I tried. It ended up facing back towards the apex, level with the armco, I braked once it was backwards and straight, but it was too late as it was already armco bound BANG!!!!!
You must have nearly wet yourself ;)



Good to see you at the weekend, chap :thumb:

Nige
03-03-2008, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Weeman@Mar 3 2008, 08:45 AM
Away it went very little throttle, no brakes, gear change done long before, it started sliding quickly away, mid way around the corner, to quick to catch, but I tried. It ended up facing back towards the apex, level with the armco, I braked once it was backwards and straight, but it was too late as it was already armco bound BANG!!!!! Scrape etc.

went out for another couple of laps, last lap, I tried to showboat on the exit of AF, but my heavy foot and lack of talent, resulted in a laughing 360, and we went full circle, still on track and carried on. :lol:
ah, the old not learning from experience trick huh :whistle: :lol:

Good report, for you, thats an EPIC, no photos though... :whistle:

Dale
03-03-2008, 08:20 AM
And I drifted into Mini-K. That's 'kin class and no mention of it. Glad you enjoyed it though dude ;)

Re: smelly tramp on Saturday. He rolled into the Blaue Ecke at circa 10.30pm while the irish guys and me were working our way through the girliest cocktails.

He was dressed OK... but he STANK. :(

And he had a necklace on over his white poloneck jumper. A necklace with an elephant on it?

And he pulled out this 50euro note, ordered a huge beer with a straw and was prancing around like a lunatic. He gathered up all the lemons from the cocktail area and gave them to us. While declaring his hatred of the Russians?

WTF!?

Jim Cameron
03-03-2008, 08:20 AM
:lol: You survived, well done :thumb:

Are you buying a year's card this year? You are close enough!

Nice to hear a positive Armco story, for a change. Nice one Gmbh!

Weeman
03-03-2008, 08:31 AM
pmsl at the tramp, we were chuckling at that necklace too.

Yep karl, I "almost" wet myself, I knew I shouldn't of told you those stories lmao :lol:

Nope Jim, I work away so much and with Sunday league and a demanding missus, I dont have the time to go often enough to warrent a JK, maybe one day.



Nige, I have no pics, but Chris172cup has some and they will follow as soon as he's back from his business jolly to stuttgart today.

Gary Kinghorn
03-03-2008, 08:38 AM
Good report that man, enjoyed reading that :thumb:

Weeman
03-03-2008, 08:49 AM
I tried to do my bit for Northloop GK, reccomending when I could, Me parked up showing everyone the sunstrip at the side of the track must of helped :lol:

Gary Kinghorn
03-03-2008, 08:56 AM
''Those Northloop cars crash alot don't they Bill''

''Yep''

:lol:

Weeman
03-03-2008, 09:04 AM
I have limited talent, but that car of mine fecking scares me when its wet, next time I'll sit and drink coffee until it dries up :lol:

Weeman
03-03-2008, 09:22 AM
I forgot to mention Chris hit a pigeon at 90mph on the way home, windscreen demolished pigeon needed a resolve :lol:

Simon
03-03-2008, 10:14 AM
Excellent report, Dave :thumb:

Like I said yesterday, glad that you, the car & the armco were all ok :lol:

Weeman
03-03-2008, 10:19 AM
about 6 inches and 10 mph away from buying a length of armco I think Si :lol: Lesson duly learned, wet laps, NOOOOOO!

Pedro
03-03-2008, 10:28 AM
In the cars I was there before, I always loved wet weather, the low traffic and advantage of a slow front wheel drive always allowed me to have the most fun on wet weather.

I´m a bit worried about what´s going to happen with the BMW now, cause even if it´s only 140hp, it´s completely different than anything I´ve driven there.

Two incidents on the same visit from a guy with a 140hp BMW doesn´t help to calm me down though :lol:

jon_r
03-03-2008, 10:39 AM
Still gutted :(

I'm back in April for sure.

Weeman
03-03-2008, 10:43 AM
Its a combination of things pedro.

Firstly I have lots of experience in FWD, like you I have faith I can drive an fwd car round fairly quickly, clio was always more fun in the wet than when it was dry. But I'm new to the rwd game, plus the e30 has next to bugger all weight on the back, suspect toyo proxes, which seem great in the dry, but suspect in the wet. Lack of talent on my part, I can skid, but by no means am I a drift king. also while I'm thumbing the book of excuses, I have no LSD (until i fit the one in my cellar) and the e30's famous titanic steering rack, after this weekend the z3 rack is looking like a definate upgrade, so I can flick some lock on quicker, rather than wind the wheel twice round :lol:

The AF incident was purely my hamfisted attempt at leaving with a good angle of slide, as theres some room to play there and the track was empty. Too much gas, not enough skill.

I've racked my brains trying to find a reason behind the other one, I wasn't pushing, I didn't lift mid way round, It just went, and possibly as it surprised me, I didn't react as i should of. I tried to correct, once It was past the point of no return and in a straight line I braked, any other input on the steering and I may of moved away from glancing the armco, But hey ho thats life, you live you learn.

One thing i'll say is, the bmw actually makes me nervous in the wet, be it the cheap tyres, lack of lsd,steering rack, lack of talent I dont know. But in future I'll be debating the amount of wet laps I do, until I know the car better.

Pedro
03-03-2008, 10:48 AM
My compact has the rear suspension of an E30, and no LSD as well ... :whistle:



I´m just waiting for a really wet lap, when my brother passes me in his 100hp diesel Astra with three passengers laughing away inside :lol:

Dale
03-03-2008, 10:59 AM
Quick and precide application of steering lock is more crucial than an LSD in the wet. My MX5 has an open diff right now.

Weeman
03-03-2008, 11:03 AM
I'm not a drift hero like you Dale, my reactions are slowed by my monkey like arms :lol: Z3 rack would help turn a flick of lock on in such situations, But I think I may have grabbed in panic, rather than let the wheel go and catch it at the reet point like you explained later. A bridge too far, twas a lap in your mazda a lap too late :lol:

Theo325
03-03-2008, 11:11 AM
Very entertaining report. The tramp sounds like good entertainment, hope he's still there in summer!

Do you need a new sterling silver rear bumper now? :whistle:

Weeman
03-03-2008, 11:18 AM
Front bumper Theo, I was already facing the other way, Inside of the corner, passenger side (LHD) front. Tis cracked and split and all the paints fallen off, but its solid and staying as a battle scar and reminder of my lack of talent :lol: I still need a is deep chin spoiler though, find me one :lol:

Floyd
03-03-2008, 11:52 AM
I shit myself in the wet and I therefore don't go very fast at all. I try to avoid wet laps but if I had proper wets then I may change my mind. I'd also like to know the wet lines a bit better too.

Glad it wasn't too costly Weeman and lucky that you learnt a soft lesson :thumb:

Weeman
03-03-2008, 11:56 AM
You have 4wd you cheesy poof, disconnect the front drive shaft and try again :lol:

Dale demonstrated the wet lines well, lots of grip out on the outside of most bends, even if they may appear wetter than on line.

Karl
03-03-2008, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Floyd@Mar 3 2008, 02:52 PM
I shit myself in the wet
LOL, Weeman does exactly the opposite :lol:


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Weeman
03-03-2008, 12:34 PM
Feck off Kesselchen, or your leg will be next :lol:

Karl
03-03-2008, 12:40 PM
Don't worry mate, your secret's safe with me :lol:























































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alclark
03-03-2008, 12:40 PM
Great report, was laughing all the way through it!

Yea, sideways stuff is all about getting lock on quickly, as long as the wheels still point forwards it's surprising how much angle can be applied (memories of Esbach flooding back)... although I'm too poor and sh1t to try in on the 'Ring! :D

Jorg
03-03-2008, 04:04 PM
great report,
had to laugh very much about "cat weasel". :lol: :lol:
jörg

Floyd
03-03-2008, 04:08 PM
Weeboy, you're obviously far too poor to be able to afford a 4wd car otherwise you would know it's understeer city with crap tyres in the wet. Even with my superhuman driving skills it's not crashproof.

ring leader
03-03-2008, 07:56 PM
Would love to see some of you boys in the shite we used to drive !

Lotus Mk1/2 cortina

Rs 3100 Capri
among others

best ever was my Lotus elan drop head , :whistle: sideways with rubber donughts flying out

sideways? you aint never been there yet :D

mav

Weeman
04-03-2008, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by Annekaette@Mar 3 2008, 07:04 PM
great report,
had to laugh very much about "cat weasel". :lol: :lol:
jörg
I was waiting for you to come out and throw him out the door Jorg :lol:

leavingeasy
04-03-2008, 07:05 AM
Top report Weeman, nothing like a dice with death to make you feel really alive.

By which I really mean, a dice with the bank manager as the armco gets closer and closer!

Weeman
04-03-2008, 07:22 AM
Spot on nick, all i thought as it went was "arghhhh no how fcuking much is this going to cost" As soon as I saw there was no massive damage, I was reet actually couldn't wait to go straight back out, and get back on the horse.

I got home and told the missus, she was surprisingly chipper, until i told her what it would of cost would I have damaged it. " how much, for a bit of metal, thats ridiculous" Heaven help the office if I ever get a bill, she'll be down there tearing strips off, she speaks fluent german too :lol:

The-Vee
05-03-2008, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by Dale@Mar 3 2008, 11:59 AM
Quick and precide application of steering lock is more crucial than an LSD in the wet. My MX5 has an open diff right now.
Really? That drift @ Bergwerk was done with an open diff?! When I had an open diff in my 200SX I couldn't drift shit, as soon as I welded it the difference was night and day, now I could maintain the drift, initiate it much easier and it was by FAR more controlable. For instance I could go around a roundabout as long as I wanted as where with a open I couldn't even do a fifht of a circle.


@ Weeman

Cool write-up, sound like fun, with the hobo and all. Are you English or Dutch? Cause I noticed you live in Echt, that is close my place, I live near Nuth. :thumb:

chris172cup
06-03-2008, 10:06 AM
I thought I'd add a few pics from the weekend as Dave can't operate hi tech machinery like digital cameras. Thank god you fitted that steering wheel boss quick sharp, it was freezing.

Although there were a few 'setbacks' from start to finish I'm still glad I went. Never easy leaving mates behind and turning up to a closed track but got another 4 laps under the belt, always good learn in sh!t conditions like rain.

I now hate pigeons even more, it's funny how you naturally duck even when in a car. Still got feathers on the aeriel at the back LOL.

Was also good to meet and chat properly with Karl opposed to a passing like before. PMSL at stig of the dump...man he stank!!

Dave said everything else that happened :D

Here some of the events...

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oh how did that get in there (in respect of the non attendees:( )

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pye21
06-03-2008, 12:09 PM
Excellant pics, Love the Superbad pmsl :lol:

karan
06-03-2008, 09:16 PM
lol great write-up, my first ever 2 laps were in the wet and although scary as hell, they are probably my most memorable ever laps. order of the day was slow entries as i had no idea where the track went, followed by lots of drifting!

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