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omen666
09-05-2007, 12:30 PM
This was my first trip to the Nordschleife in 2007 and I was like a kid waiting for Christmas in the week before it. I spent countless hours watching videos of laps, reading track guides and I generally immersed myself in Nordschleife material.

The CSL needed some work doing it before the trip; I got it on a ramp and discovered the OSF wheel bearing was going so BMW replaced it under warranty, then on with some new pads all round and most importantly a new set of Michelin Pilot Cups Sport tyres. For me the CSL on road tyres is a completely different car and not one I enjoy, but its sensible to run road tyres during the wet months….I’ll come back to that later….

My journey to the Nordschleife is always via the overnight ferry from Hull to Rotterdam. This allows a few mates to meet up and have a few beers and general Nordschleife stories/banter.

On this trip it was just the two cars, myself and my friend in his GT3. However we were joined by a friend from Dublin who had never been before and wanted a pax trip before taking his own car. So we spent the night frightening him with various Nordschleife anecdotes.

Day 1 – The anticipation builds
The trip from Rotterdam to Nurburg was pretty uneventful. I have recently had the CSL remapped and I wanted to test the limiter removal. Traffic stopped this happening as my high speed attempts were curtailed several times.

The circuit opened at 1730 and we were off! I did a couple of sighters and got the tyre pressures right before pushing for a few laps. These were satisfying as much of the course memory was there and there didn’t seem to be any serious incidents.

5 laps completed under steady speeds.

Being the first night away with a group of 18 far too much beer was consumed and I was grateful for a lie in the next morning.

Day 2 – A disappointing session
The circuit was closed for races so we spent the day milling around and watched some of the afternoon race from Adenau Bridge. I got lots of pics and fell in love with this E30 M3. I’ve been considering a Dedicated Ring Toy for a while and I have settled on getting one of these.

http://images22.fotki.com/v761/photos/5/537502/4913014/IMG_8961-vi.jpg

So after a full day of sunshine 1730 approached and we all returned to our cars to prepare for another couple of hours lapping or so we thought :(

It started to rain at 1700!!!

We went to the circuit anyway to wait for the weather to pass and then found the main car park full of the cars from the afternoon race. This also introduced a delay to the opening of the circuit. It wasn’t all bad as I met up with Gary and chatted for a while :) despite him sounding like Barry White!

Once the circuit opened it was bedlam! The circuit hadn’t fully dried and as the experienced/sensible ones amongst us know it can be dry in some sections and treacherous in others on the same lap. I did 7 steady laps to focus on repeatability rather than pace.

Sadly on every lap I came across new off’s. There where always people on the scene, including Gary with his double incident marshalling.

I did witness one event though. It was a black BMW M6 that went off after Bergwerk. He caught and passed me on the approach to Adenau Bridge, as I exited Bergwerk I looked up the circuit to see how far ahead he’d got, but the circuit was empty, until I looked right and he was about 10ft up the bank on the righthand side! He’d got on the power too early, tank slapped up the hill before gripping and being shot up the bank. I passed him as he came back down on his wheels (very lucky), my passenger confirmed he was still moving so we didn’t stop. However on my next lap I saw he’d stopped with his front nearside wheel bent out at about 45 degrees.

Most of the other off’s where in the slippery areas but no-one seemed hurt and the ADAC guys were kept very busy for the next hour.

Saturday evening was Steak on a Stone in the Pistenklaus taking it ‘easy’ as Sunday was full day’s driving.

omen666
09-05-2007, 12:31 PM
Day 3 – Sunday – my personal endurance day
I woke early and breakfasted early as I can never sleep in on full day sessions.

I’d bought my first season ticket on this trip as I’d resolved this trip to be focussed on consistency/repeatability. To do this I was going to do 5 lap sessions. The CSL can easily handle this workload, the temps never shifting from the normal and as it has AP Racing brakes on it brake fade is never a problem.

I got to the car park early and found this beautiful E30 M3

http://images24.fotki.com/v854/photos/5/537502/4913014/IMG_9006-vi.jpg

I chatted to the owner about the car and he was a really nice guy. He told me he was here with a couple of other E30’s so said I’d catch up with them later, which I literally did….

On my second lap I met the three E30’s at Karussell. They were obviously having fun bumper to bumper and knew the circuit. It was interesting watching the cars from behind for a few corners as I was looking at my potential DRT of the future. But by Brunchen I was getting a little frustrated as there was no attempt to let me passed. Even in Pflanzgarten where the CSL was screaming to go they sat online and wouldn’t move, so by the Gantry I was pretty annoyed. I guess I still have the mentality of each lap costing me more than it is now I have a JK, and they have every right to enjoy their lap, but after a half a circuit I think it was not on.

The most of the rest of day’s laps were less notable. The circuit was surprisingly quiet and I got lots of laps were I could just focus on my lines rather than passing or yielding.

This Porsche 996 GT3RS with Manthey mods was amazingly quick. I came across him dozen’s of times, it seemed we were out together all day. At one point we entered Fuchsrohre together and he visibly pulled away from me as I hit approx 120mph. We eventually chatted in the car park where I thanked him for the pleasure of seeing such a car driven so well and he thanked me for always getting out of the way so quickly.

http://www.motofoto.tv/galerie/albums/Touri_2007_05_06/IMG_9415.JPG

Simon jumped in for a couple of laps as his Subaru had been recovered. The first one was uneventful, but the second one included my scariest moment on the Nordschleife.

Approaching the crest of Schwedenkrauz at approx 140mph there was a Nissan Skyline on the right hand of the circuit. He was staying right despite the line being on the left so I felt confident he’d seen me. Simon thought so too. So breaking and gear change done I entered on the left only to see the Skyline moving quickly towards me! We were perfectly parallel and there was nowhere to go, so I had to move left. I ended up having to break hard with two wheels on the grass and two on the tarmac as the Skyline continued to get closer. Fortunately as there had been no rain for weeks the grass was dry and I slowed in a straight line and was able to rejoin the circuit behind the Skyline.

I later found out the driver was on his 5th Nordschleife lap and hadn’t seen me at all. It just goes to show how you can easily get into a situation when passing and how the mix of Nordschleife experience can combine to put you in a situation in a matter of seconds.

I was pretty shook up so came off for a half an hour to get a coffee and calm down.

Towards the end of the afternoon I’d done 30 laps. This was more than I’d ever done before in a day. I did a further 5 laps slightly slower taking some of the NL guys out forgive me as I don’t know all your names

My last lap of the day was great, all I saw was two ADAC trucks, no cars or bikes and it was a fantastic way to end the trip. A friend was taking pics so I gave him a wave to end the lap.

http://photo.ing.me.uk/albums/PureGT_May_2007/IMG_0563.sized.jpg

This was the last night for the group trip so the beers where really flowing. I think I went to bed at about 2am, but by then I wasn’t exactly judging anything well.

Day 4 – Monday: The return home.
A good lie-in was needed so I missed saying goodbye to the Southerners who were returning to the Chunnel.

The Northerners going via Zeebrugge left for a day in Bruge, whilst we Rotterdamer’s stayed to go to Fascination Nurburgring centre.

Being a bit of a BMW fan :whistle: the BMW section was my favourite. It has some classic race cars and of course the modern classic ;)

http://images24.fotki.com/v852/photos/5/537502/4913014/IMG_9017-vi.jpg
http://images22.fotki.com/v810/photos/5/537502/4913014/IMG_9011-vi.jpg
http://images23.fotki.com/v807/photos/5/537502/4913014/IMG_9014-vi.jpg
http://images22.fotki.com/v762/photos/5/537502/4913014/IMG_9021-vi.jpg
http://images21.fotki.com/v755/photos/5/537502/4913014/IMG_9033-vi.jpg

I found this plaque quite amusing…..

http://images21.fotki.com/v755/photos/5/537502/4913014/IMG_9028-vi.jpg

So then it was off to the garage for fuel and our last brokwurst (sic) and curry sauce before heading off to Rotterdam. Bumped into 36M3RUSS and his mates who were waiting for Ring Racing to finish repairing the convertible that went off.

The journey back to Rotterdam turned into one of the worst trips I have made.

The Michelin Pilot Cup Sports are not a good wet weather tyre. The rain came in with vengeance and I was reduced to 40-45mph to reduce the chances of aquaplaning. This didn’t stop it happening several times and I really feared the worst. Instead of 3 it took some 4.5 hours to Rotterdam, including see a car upside down in one the tunnels :(

I was never happier to finish a drive and get some Stella down my neck!

Reflections on the trip
For me I felt the trip was a roaring success. I had set out to do some serious laps focussing on really drilling in the circuit layout/sequence. I believe I achieved this and started to really nail some sections.

The CSL continues to astound me. To cope with 47 hard laps and not have shredded the Cup tyres is amazing. There is a lot more pace to be had out the car too. One of my group was in a black 2004 CSL and he was easily the fastest of the group, dipping into sub 8 mins at times, beating the 997GT3RS’s, modd’d GT2, 996GT3RS’s and 996 Turbo in the group.

It goes to show that Nordschleife knowledge, experience and driving ability are key.

Halfway through the Sunday I had felt a sudden realisation that the pursuit of time on this circuit was no longer my primary objective. I was having a fantastic time lapping sub 9 minute and didn’t feel the need to push anymore. I judged that my driving skills needed improving more if I was to push myself and the car further, so rather than chase hollow Trophies (lap times) I focussed on the circuit and my enjoyment of it. I wanted to take my pride and joy CSL and myself home to my family and respect the Nordschleife for the unique wonder of the world it is.

Some of the group I travelled with were very time focussed and it concerned me to see some of them pushing themselves too hard and most concerning, past their own abilities. It further reinforced my beliefs and I am now going to focus on driver training in the UK before returning to the Nordschleife.

omen666
09-05-2007, 12:32 PM
Eye Candy
I’ve trawled around and found some pics of the cars in my group as they are pretty tasty :thumb:

http://www.motofoto.tv/galerie/albums/Touri_2007_05_06/IMG_9323.JPG
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v501/tvr400/Nurburgring%20May%2007/IMG_7060.jpg
http://photo.ing.me.uk/albums/PureGT_May_2007/IMG_0273.sized.jpg
http://photo.ing.me.uk/albums/PureGT_May_2007/IMG_0563.sized.jpg
http://www.motofoto.tv/galerie/albums/Touri_2007_05_06/IMG_9318.JPG
http://www.motofoto.tv/galerie/albums/Touri_2007_05_06/IMG_9284.JPG
http://www.boelsphotography.be/06-05-07%20Touristenfahrt/sized_06-05-07%20Touristenfahrt%20211.JPG
http://www.boelsphotography.be/06-05-07%20Touristenfahrt/sized_06-05-07%20Touristenfahrt%20473.JPG

Gary Kinghorn
09-05-2007, 12:34 PM
The beautiful E36 is an E30 ;)

Gary Kinghorn
09-05-2007, 12:35 PM
Great report Damon, nice to see you again :thumb:

Weeman
09-05-2007, 12:40 PM
That beautiful e30 was also for sale a week orso ago, not sure if it still is, or if that was the new owner you were speaking too.

Good report though :thumb:

omen666
09-05-2007, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Gary Kinghorn@May 9 2007, 12:34 PM
The beautiful E36 is an E30 ;)
Oops thanks Gary. My mate is in my ear about getting an E36 as he thinks there better! Will change it.

But apart from that? :D :lol:

Weeman
09-05-2007, 12:42 PM
http://cgi.ebay.de/BMW-E30-325i-Ringtool-f...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.de/BMW-E30-325i-Ringtool-fuer-Nuerburgring-Nordschleife_W0QQitemZ280110044492QQihZ018QQcatego ryZ9837QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

was a fricking bargain, if its the same one, and it sold at that price

edit, yep reggos match up, tis the same one

alclark
09-05-2007, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Gary Kinghorn@May 9 2007, 12:34 PM
The beautiful E36 is an E30 ;)
Spotted that too. :lol: :loser:

Another stamp in the book of the 'Its impossible not to have fun at the NS'!

Dave Malings
09-05-2007, 12:48 PM
...that's when you can really enjoy the place even more :thumb:


Halfway through the Sunday I had felt a sudden realisation that the pursuit of time on this circuit was no longer my primary objective

alclark
09-05-2007, 12:59 PM
Omen, your mate in the '04 Black CSL, not Andy was it?

omen666
09-05-2007, 01:03 PM
Yes Andy, cpufreak on other forums

alclark
09-05-2007, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by omen666@May 9 2007, 01:03 PM
Yes Andy, cpufreak on other forums
Thats him, hah, small world. :lol:

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1639/dscf1879yr0.jpg

Andrew
09-05-2007, 01:16 PM
Great report B)

The first pics of you parked next to the E30 is not an M3 - although it may have then engine. It has a sport body and if a 4 pot could be a 320iS or indeed a M3 lump stuck in there. Both engines are near identical except the 320is is a 2.0 and produces 190hp not 200. Rare car though if it is an IS :D

Weeman
09-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Andy@May 9 2007, 03:16 PM
Great report B)

The first pics of you parked next to the E30 is not an M3 - although it may have then engine. It has a sport body and if a 4 pot could be a 320iS or indeed a M3 lump stuck in there. Both engines are near identical except the 320is is a 2.0 and produces 190hp not 200. Rare car though if it is an IS :D
Check out the ebay ad for it andy, its a 325

Kristof Boels
09-05-2007, 03:50 PM
Very nice write-up, Damon! Also thank you again for the passenger laps. I had a blast! You are a very good driver.

Untill next time!! :thumb:

Kristof Boels

Cal
09-05-2007, 03:59 PM
We followed you in a black Evo..............considering you were in a relatively expensive chariot and not massively experienced I thought your knowledge of the car and track was exceptional.... B) Balls of steel too I hasten to add :thumb:

10/10 for the report too..........never got a chance to say howdy though

Great pics too. I saw your car @ the museum on the Monday. How did you fellas sneak into that enclosure ? :ph43r:

Cheers
Cal

Pooky
09-05-2007, 04:14 PM
Great report and top marks for the realisation that times don't mean a single thing in the tourist sessions. Until you can lap consistently with the car on the limit and without traffic (which of course will never happen) there's just no point.

Nige
09-05-2007, 04:21 PM
Super report. :thumb:


Originally posted by omen666@May 9 2007, 01:31 PM
I guess I still have the mentality of each lap costing me more than it is now I have a JK
That statement is something I found too, when I realised I could just back right off and take a steady cruising lap instead of try to get past, I found it totally changed my outlook on laps and I didnt get half as wound up when someone didnt move out of the way.Obviously, if it happened every lap I`d be annoyed, but with the JK, it didnt seem to matter as much.

omen666
09-05-2007, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Cal@May 9 2007, 03:59 PM
We followed you in a black Evo..............considering you were in a relatively expensive chariot and not massively experienced I thought your knowledge of the car and track was exceptional.... B) Balls of steel too I hasten to add :thumb:

10/10 for the report too..........never got a chance to say howdy though

Great pics too. I saw your car @ the museum on the Monday. How did you fellas sneak into that enclosure ? :ph43r:

Cheers
Cal
Thanks for that, its always interesting to hear other people's observations as one can be a little subjective about one's own ability :lol:

Balls of steel? Not sure about that :unsure: Anywhere in particular you think I took it too hard?

I always park in that enclosure...sounds like I shouldn't :P

Nige, the JK does make think easier and more relaxed. I just wish I could use the toll on main start/finish straight.

Maxfield
09-05-2007, 06:28 PM
Awesome!

An E30 M3 with the right mods is a perfect ring tool :D

Steve Gill
09-05-2007, 08:29 PM
Great report Damon, look forward to meeting up soon :thumb:

Jim Cameron
09-05-2007, 08:45 PM
Damon, saw you out there a number of times, wondered if you posted on here. Enjoyed following you down the hill from AF, and I also struggled with some of the German E30 crowd being unwilling to get out of the way, dunno why...

Karl
10-05-2007, 07:09 AM
Great report :thumb:

The E30 is a 325i and I was supposed to be meeting the guy up there with a view to buying it for € 3900 but Claire said she'd leave me if I did :whistle:

Gary Kinghorn
10-05-2007, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by Karl@May 10 2007, 08:09 AM
Great report :thumb:

The E30 is a 325i and I was supposed to be meeting the guy up there with a view to buying it for € 3900 but Claire said she'd leave me if I did :whistle:
When does the car arrive? :lol: :lol: :lol:

IanHowell
10-05-2007, 07:47 AM
Great report Damon,

Good to meet you over the weekend and thanks for the Pax lap, really enjoyed it :thumb: Smooth and fast ;)

Car could do with being a bit cleaner though :lol:

Ian

omen666
10-05-2007, 08:02 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Nice to meet you too :thumb:

Glad you enjoyed the lap, your welcome to one anytime.

Karl
10-05-2007, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by Gary Kinghorn+May 10 2007, 09:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gary Kinghorn @ May 10 2007, 09:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Karl@May 10 2007, 08:09 AM
Great report :thumb:

The E30 is a 325i and I was supposed to be meeting the guy up there with a view to buying it for € 3900 but Claire said she&#39;d leave me if I did :whistle:
When does the car arrive? :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
LOL, you bad man :lol:

MrBean
10-05-2007, 09:40 PM
Hi Damon,

very nice report.
Dumbs up for your preparation and quick learning.

I think we did a lap more or less together.
Dutch blue suzuki, flapping yellow/orange marshall vest.
If that was you:

You closed up on me slowly until on my tail @bergwerk, were i didnt let you pass because a bike is faster on Kesselchen.
At the bends you started to close up again, until Schwalbenschwanz.
Did let you pass @ the smaller caroussel.
:lol: (And had fun showing that the outside line around it isnt slower.)
Didnt open the throttle, to give you the advantage @Galgenkopf.
:thumb: @Dottinger Höhe from both sides.

Was that you ?
If so: good preparation, good driving, quick learning &#33;

P.S.:
Your scary moment @Aremberg shows why it is safer to wait sometimes, until 100% sure the other one has seen you.
Not worth wrecking your car (or body in case of biker) for, JK or not.

omen666
10-05-2007, 09:59 PM
Mr. Bean

Yes it was me :D

Great lap and much respect for your riding and manners. I had a very big grin after that lap and wound down the window to put my hand out and thumbs up :thumb:

Lets meet up for a coffee next time B)

MrBean
10-05-2007, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by omen666@May 10 2007, 11:59 PM
Lets meet up for a coffee next time B)
I will try to.
You can find me @breidscheid. Look for sideburns :D

Michiel

pye21
11-05-2007, 11:09 AM
Another excellant report&#33;&#33;

hobgoblin
12-05-2007, 05:35 PM
intresting point made about the JK, not something i had thought about.
That said i did notice that the more laps i have, the more relaxed i am about them.
I did more sighting laps less flat out laps on my second trip (15 laps) than my first trip (just 8 laps)

2 trips this year may have to increase that and buy a JK next year :thumb:

great report B) very nice car (go E30 M3 :affection: on the track toy :P )
as you described i am now in the grip of pre trip excitement only 1 month 2 go :D

Andrew Mulholland
14-05-2007, 10:37 AM
It was an epic weekend.

shame my powersteering died, (all sorted now though).

It gave me the opportunity to take some photos anyway though..


http://photo.ing.me.uk/PureGT_May_2007

are specific ones of the group Damon+ I had gone otu with..

and

http://photo.ing.me.uk/May-6th-2007

is general photos of everyone I snapped whilst sitting at kliene karassell.

cheers

Andy

Simon
14-05-2007, 10:42 AM
Some good pictures there Andy :thumb:

Jim Cameron
14-05-2007, 04:49 PM
Nice one Andy, chuffed with that one:
http://photo.ing.me.uk/albums/May-6th-2007/IMG_0067.sized.jpg

Andrew Mulholland
14-05-2007, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by jim..c@May 14 2007, 04:49 PM
Nice one Andy, chuffed with that one:
http://photo.ing.me.uk/albums/May-6th-2007/IMG_0067.sized.jpg
sorry Jim - its not quite sharp enough. - been through my archive, and its the only one I got of you too unfortunately.

wll try harder next time:D

Jim Cameron
14-05-2007, 05:29 PM
Mate, it&#39;ll do, that&#39;s a nice angle though. The RingBeemer&#39;s obviously working hard&#33;

Russ_F
14-05-2007, 11:05 PM
Hi jim..c,
I`m very interested to hear about project general lee :D please tell :thumb:
Russ

Jim Cameron
15-05-2007, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by 36M3RUSS@May 14 2007, 11:05 PM
Hi jim..c,
I`m very interested to hear about project general lee :D please tell :thumb:
Russ
Alright, new thread required, hang on...

Haven&#39;t had time yet, so here&#39;s a taster of the old one...

http://gallery.seloc.org/albums/userpics/25765/general_640.jpg

Gary (GVK) gets the credit for this photo&#33; His gearbox ate itself, so he had nothing better to do...

GVK
17-05-2007, 06:35 AM
That car was the funniest thing I&#39;ve ever seen at a track day :lol:

Even funnier with the Colonel Dixie air horns blaring out down the pit straight at Snett :lol: :lol: :lol:

New thread please mr C <_<

hobgoblin
19-05-2007, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by cpufreak+May 14 2007, 05:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cpufreak @ May 14 2007, 05:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jim..c@May 14 2007, 04:49 PM
Nice one Andy, chuffed with that one:
http://photo.ing.me.uk/albums/May-6th-2007/IMG_0067.sized.jpg
sorry Jim - its not quite sharp enough. - been through my archive, and its the only one I got of you too unfortunately.

wll try harder next time:D [/b][/quote]
it may not be sharp but it a great action shot thats one hard at work beemer :thumb:

love the General ford too :D

Jim Cameron
21-05-2007, 10:13 PM
Got round to it, can stop hijacking this thread now...

http://z8.invisionfree.com/Northloop/index...?showtopic=4893 (http://z8.invisionfree.com/Northloop/index.php?showtopic=4893)