View Full Version : Snetterton 300 Trackday Trophy 16th March 2013 Race Report.

20-03-2013, 08:34 PM
As discussed in This Thread (http://www.northloop.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?45435-The-MINI-s-first-race!!!!!-16th-March-Snetterton), Stace was having his first race in the Mini at Snetterton. It was round #1 of the Trackday Trophy.

We offered to be pit support for the day. Drove down Friday evening and stayed at the Barton Mills Travelodge. I usually stay here and just across the road is the The Olde Bull Inn (www.bullinn-bartonmills.com/) pub, so after checking in we walked over for a beer and a chat.

After a reasonably early night and a couple of beers, we called it a night.

Up Saturday, Stace had gone ahead to get the Mini through scrutineering with Legend Stace, Weeman, Tim and Pye. They`d left our passes at the gate, we rocked up and within minutes it was time for the practise session. We quickly fitted my PBox and he was off.

It was cold and wet.

Apparently, the `bonnet pins came undone` on the first lap of the day... :loser:

Stace has spent a day at Snetterton with Andy Jeb a few weeks ago, trying different lines and car settings. The conditions were similar and this gave Stace great confidence straight away.

People were finding, then exceeding the limits.

I`m sure Stace nudged him off.. :lol:

Cat was doing star-jumps to keep warm.

Session ended uneventfully and back in for a quick check over after finishing 6th overall and 1st in Class. There was a tiny amount of oil under the car, we jacked it up to have a look.

20-03-2013, 08:34 PM
We think the gearbox breather was losing a very small amount of oil. Nothing major and only visible after the first session when the car had been in one place for some time. This will be diagnosed and fixed in the near future :thumb:

Whilst waiting for Qualifying, Matt and I fixed various cameras to the Mini.

Weeman couldn`t help himself ! everytime the car came in, he washed it with 2 buckets and dried it with a waffle weave microfibre cloth. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/gifs/gaydancetb8vi9.gif

Whilst waiting for qualifying to start, the Team Trophy guys were finishing their practise. George was going well.

Dave was finding the conditions exciting. (Why do Fluorescent colours always look naff on camera ?)

Qualifying came round very quickly. As finding traffic is often difficult, Stace and I had a foolproof plan. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/gifs/a007f448.gif We`d use our mobiles, with wired hands-free headphones for car-pit communications :karl:
So I wouldn`t distract him, my phone was on Mute, when he drove past the pits, I`d unmute the phone, say "stace" then when he was available, we`d talk and I`d explain the traffic situation, where a gap was, his time and class position.

After a few laps, he called me. "Nige....?" I went to unmute the phone and pressed disconnect instead.. DOH ! There was no way he could answer the phone once driving, so the 2nd half of qualifying was with pit-board only.. :lol:

Cat was well wrapped up.

There was standing water.

Lots of it.

Stace kept it tidy and avoided it though.

He did decide to come into the pits with 5 minutes remaining, just as the track started to dry a little. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/gifs/dunno.gif

Qualifying over and he finished a very creditable 3rd in Class (C) and 7th overall.

We were all frozen. If you see a camera pointed at you and choose not to smile, don`t come crying to me...

Tim was happy. He just hid it well...

Legend Stace was camera shy

The lens was wide-angled enough to get a pic of Dave.

Ian just grimaced.


Stace was checking out the competition.

20-03-2013, 08:35 PM
Qualifying over meant one thing. Time for the Bacon Butties. :thumb:

Then a debrief.

Cameras removed.

And on charge.

It was time for the Race.

In the assembly area Stace and I discussed tactics and what tyres the competition was running...

The commentator caused a few groans in the paddock with the insightful "oh and what a superb start from the Subaru." Yeah, that`ll be because it`s 4WD, in the wet. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/wh00sher/gifs/rolleyes.gif

Lap #1 saw Stace in 5th position.


End of Lap 1

Some close lapping with the Clio, who made it past, only to run wide and onto the grass.

Just keeping the car straight was challenging enough.

Rogers made a superb overtaking move round the outside of Coram to pass McCORMACK which raised a cheer from the Paddock.

Unfortunately, he lost out under acceleration. That pesky 4WD again...

The Megane had to retire.

The Dickson/Frost Prelude was flying, but Rogers was now past the Impreza and tried the overtaking move round the outside of Coram again. His entry speed to the braking zone was `optimistic` to say the least !

Even in the dry, he`d have struggled to stop. Unfortunately, he ended up in the barriers.

Just staying on the tarmac was difficult enough.


20-03-2013, 08:35 PM
After we`d been keeping Stace updated via the pitboard, we called him in for the mandatory pitstop.

Tim and Legend Stace worked well together ensuring the pitstop was the minimum 2 minutes. :veryhappy:

The front left tyre pressure was a touch high which I lowered, but everything else was spot on. :thumb:

Some of the cars had 2 drivers. First lap out caused a couple of offs as they came to terms with the slippery track.


Stace had no such issues.

George had pulled out a 20+ second lead, Simon, the 2nd driver was around 4 seconds a lap slower than Stace, but unfortunately there weren`t enough laps for him to mount a challenge.

The race finished with the Prelude in 1st, 8 Seconds ahead of the Impreza. George and Simon 3rd overall and Stace 4th, 2nd in class behind the 944 :veryhappy:

20-03-2013, 08:35 PM
We stood on the pitlane to watch the start of the Team Trophy race whilst Lou and Cat tried to warm up in the X5. Jim, starting on Pole got off to a flying start and had pulled out a superb 8 second lead after lap 2. Deciding that was going to make a boring afternoon, Jim went grasstracking, backwards, on the exit of Coram. This raised a large cheer from the assembled viewers in the pitlane.

He then had a great drive back into the lead before handing over to George, who was up against it as the Seat Cupra was being driven very well by current BTCC driver Dan Welch. Doesn`t really seem in the `spirit` of the series to me, neither do the Clio Cup & Ginetta racecars either. :fish:

Still, as Weeman is fond of saying, it`s amazing what lengths some people go to in their pursuit of winning a 20 cup...

Back in the Paddock it was time to load the Mini onto the trailer

A well deserved trophy for Stace`s cabinet :thumb:


Dave had to get off, but the rest of us left the trailer at the circuit, went back for a quick shower then out for a meal at the pub.

The food was superb. Not cheap but all of us thoroughly enjoyed it. Highly recommended if you are ever staying locally :thumb: We had a really enjoyable evening discussing the days racing, going through a few videos and photos.

Called it a night around 11.

I`ve been to a few of these races now and this one was just as enjoyable. Stace drove very well all day, enjoyed himself and came away with a great result. Being there with friends makes it a great day for spectators too. :thumb:

20-03-2013, 08:57 PM
Great write up as always, Nige & a cracking result / team effort :thumb:

20-03-2013, 09:15 PM
Top work to all involved!

Cracking write up as per usual Nige, Love the multi camera angles:thumb:

Jim Cameron
20-03-2013, 09:28 PM
This is shit! Wrong race you fools! :whistle:

20-03-2013, 09:37 PM
Great report Nige, but kudos to Stace for the result :thumb:

when are you up at oulton? ( I try not too venture any further south than I have to )

This is shit! Wrong race you fools! :whistle:


Jim Cameron
20-03-2013, 09:55 PM
Not doing the Oulton race.

Nothing to see there :pokeyeye:

20-03-2013, 10:05 PM
This is shit! Wrong race you fools! :whistle:


21-03-2013, 06:19 AM

Das Chin
21-03-2013, 06:55 AM
great report Nige and congrats to Stace on the result. top effort getting out there and amongst it. looked like tough work but a giggle at the same time :thumb:

21-03-2013, 07:07 AM
Nice write up Nige. I'm looking forward to getting along to one of these. Do you know when your at Brands Stace?

21-03-2013, 07:28 AM
Great write up Nige :thumb:

Thanks for the compliments guys. The support I got for this event was amazing :shock: I'd have loved to have made it to the podium but it was too dry towards the end to negate the lack of power.

Next event is Oulton on Easter Saturday. I'll be sharing the car with my cousin for that one. He's only done a handful of track days and his ARDS test so will need some time to get up to speed for sure. He's a right laugh though so really looking forward to it.

This is the calendar for 2013. We'll be doing all of them :thumb:

21-03-2013, 07:57 AM
Snetterton, Silverstone and Brands all in my diary :thumb:

Jim Cameron
21-03-2013, 08:07 AM
I'd have loved to have made it to the podium but it was too dry towards the end to negate the lack of power.



I'd have loved to have made it to the podium but I didn't drive fast enough.

You've got this racing driver bit nailed :thumb:

21-03-2013, 10:54 AM


You've got this racing driver bit nailed :thumb: :lol:

I got driven away from on the straight by the 944. It just disappeared. Now the MINI is in the middle of the class for power to weight (135bhp/ton) so some weight loss and a small power increase would have helped. In practice, before it dried out, I was being held up by it, and my car was literally full to the brim with fuel :lol: If it stayed wet I'd have finished higher I'm pretty sure of that :thumb:

We can't all outdrag cars the next class up to get past you know.....:fishing: :whistle::rave:

21-03-2013, 11:15 AM
Snetterton, Silverstone and Brands all in my diary :thumb:

Excellent :thumb:

Snetterton is my Birthday. Expect me to fall asleep somewhere undramatic. Like the revett straight :lol:

21-03-2013, 11:34 AM
We can't all outdrag cars the next class up to get past you know.....:fishing: :whistle::rave:

21-03-2013, 12:07 PM


Stace was closing between 3-6 seconds a lap, every lap on the 944 after the driver change.

I decided the other day that im going to try and make all of the races, hopefully.

I have to pass comment on the cars from the series sponsor. This was Bubble & Kick racing, the various cars they had out can be seen in the pictures from Nige.
Every car was very rough, poor welding, rusty bolts and fixings everywhere, window kits that had been cut with a hacksaw with no straight edge in sight, windows fitted inside the car and with fixes that where half holed, all the aero catches where fitted with hex head bolts, not the countersunk fixings they are provided with, so all the heads stood proud of the bonnnet. All of the cars where there with advertising to rent them, i wouldnt even get in one.

21-03-2013, 12:10 PM
All of the cars where there with advertising to rent them, I wouldn't even get in one.
After having a good look round the Mini and 306 with you after the races, I agree with everything you posted.

Jim Cameron
21-03-2013, 12:31 PM
The 911 was quick, I grant you. Better exit speed, actually, and much better aero than the SEATs. You should know how this works, come on, pay attention at the back :whistle:

21-03-2013, 12:43 PM
Good work:thumb:

21-03-2013, 01:09 PM
Great write up Nige :thumb:

21-03-2013, 02:16 PM
Nice race report. Well done Stace and NLers! :veryhappy:

21-03-2013, 08:37 PM

The video. From 5 mins onwards demonstrates the power disparity quite well

Jim Cameron
21-03-2013, 08:50 PM
I don't think there's that much disparity. You are very late onto the power coming out of the corners, George is smooth and progressive, when he's passed you and the 944 is in front of you onto the back straight you can see where he comes off the brakes and then smoothly gets the power down. You seesaw on the accelerator trying to get it to hold the line then accelerate only after the apex when the thing is straightening up.

I had the same thing with the Gp A SEATs. Both driven by the bloke who pays for them, that SEAT that won was 2 sec a lap (driven by touring car bloke) faster than the Porsche but i waltzed past him down the back straight because he couldn't (wouldn't / didn't know how to) get the power down. I was consistently 5-9 mph faster than George on the apex of that corner, and as your vid shows, he isn't shabby.

21-03-2013, 09:46 PM
Good write up Nige.

Stace, good effort - Your first rallycross event I assume http://www.northloop.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/whistle.gif

21-03-2013, 10:15 PM
I see what you mean Jim, but even when I make a better exit, I'm still getting passed. At 5m 30 s I make a far better exit, he's past by the time I get to the end of the straight.

I'll be shedding some weight off the mini to get nearer the limit of the class. Should hopefully help.

I'll be viewing the weighing too when folk get pulled...:lol:

22-03-2013, 12:04 AM
I suppose if you want action (and body damage) then there are other championships that'll be a lot closer racing.

What are you trying to get out of this? If it's race craft then I'm sorry but on this evidence you'd do well to look elsewhere.

Harsh words but that's all they are. Just my opinion.

22-03-2013, 03:36 AM
What are you trying to get out of this? If it's race craft then I'm sorry but on this evidence you'd do well to look elsewhere.

Harsh words but that's all they are. Just my opinion.

I'm 36, 100kg, and this is the lowest form of racing you can do. What do you think? :lol:

It's tongue in cheek this chap. I'm not the type to put a query in to the organisers. I'm not going to jump out of my car and run over to the weigh bridge after two bacon and sandwiches :nono:

Darren Langeveld
22-03-2013, 06:18 AM
I'm not going to jump out of my car and run over to the weigh bridge after two bacon and sandwiches :nono:

How about with two bacon sandwiches?

22-03-2013, 08:57 AM
I like! Well done guys. :veryhappy:

Makes me want to go racing :chin:

But nope, House takes priority.... just!


22-03-2013, 09:30 AM
Great writeup Nige, good NL turn out. Congrats on the silverware Stace, mini looked a lot of fun! Gutted for the e36 driver. Dates noted in the diary would love to make one (and perv on the 993 :D). This year appears to be running away with time fast!

22-03-2013, 12:02 PM
I'm 36, 100kg, and this is the lowest form of racing you can do. What do you think? :lol:

It's tongue in cheek this chap. I'm not the type to put a query in to the organisers. I'm not going to jump out of my car and run over to the weigh bridge after two bacon and sandwiches :nono:

Apart from quizing the Ginettas, in class C for there high CoG apparently :fish:

22-03-2013, 12:42 PM
Apart from quizing the Ginettas, in class C for there high CoG apparently :fish:

High Cog :lol:

What was that all about? :fish:

I figured it was a Ginetta Junior G40. Restricted to 100bhp so you can run small folk in races apparently.

The organising team are lovely folk but utterly clueless when it comes to anything technical :lol:

22-03-2013, 03:51 PM
How well do you know the guys from bubble and kick? They dont seem to be doing too good!

24-03-2013, 05:54 PM
Cracking report Nige, as always, enjoyed it. :thumb:
And well done to all concerned, great team performance. :thumb:

24-03-2013, 06:43 PM
Excellent stuff Nige, enjoyed reading that. The weather and track looked miserable as hell!

25-03-2013, 09:52 PM
I'm 36, 100kg, and this is the lowest form of racing you can do. What do you think? :lol:

It's tongue in cheek this chap. I'm not the type to put a query in to the organisers. I'm not going to jump out of my car and run over to the weigh bridge after two bacon and sandwiches :nono:

Oh dear.
Well if your happy I guess that's all that matters.
Ignorance is bliss.