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Darren Langeveld
02-10-2006, 06:42 AM
Hi

Can anyone reccomend a pad for my 206 DTurbo that will suit the rigours of fully laden passenger laps around the Ring?

Same fitment as a 1.6 XSi - 266mm vented discs (which are now staying as standard)

And also - I'd appreciate your reccomendations on suppliers?

I've read the other threads on here, and done some research, and am currently erring towards the good old 1144's :) but I'm interested in your opinions .........

Cheers

Gary Kinghorn
02-10-2006, 06:55 AM
I have tried various pad types on the 205. Here's my list

Ferrodo DS2000 - excellent value for money, around £30 a set, not much bite though
Ferrodo DS2500 - around £45 a set excellent bite probably 60-70 laps to a set of fronts
Ferrodo DS3000 - around £70 a set toooooo much bite, locked the wheels all the time, ate my discs. Stopped me quick, but too much of a liability on a very light weight car.

Mintex 1144 - On the car at the moment, lasted the last 3 trips so far. Great bite, no fade bought for £5 off e-bay

EBC greens - wouldnt touch them again with a barge pole they were crap

EBC yellows - endurance pad, waiting to go on the car when the 1144's give up the ghost. Cost me £45 delivered.

My pads have either been bought from my local branch of Motorworld or direct from Demon tweeks. They may cost me a pound or two more but they generally arrive very quickly.

Not sure how much this helps.

Gary

Floyd
02-10-2006, 07:11 AM
If you want to try the yellows you can buy direct from EBC direct web site. Iíll PM you a code to get P&P free on top of a discount. B)

F

Gary Kinghorn
02-10-2006, 07:23 AM
I think you'd best pm that to me too Floyd :whistle:

Darren Langeveld
02-10-2006, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by Floyd@Oct 2 2006, 07:11 AM
If you want to try the yellows you can buy direct from EBC direct web site. Iíll PM you a code to get P&P free on top of a discount. B)

F
EBC don't list the yellows as a fitment for my car ......

But I've heard that if you call them the advice can be different ..... !

Darren Langeveld
02-10-2006, 07:29 AM
Gary - cheers for the comprehensive reply.

I know what you mean about the Green's - I had a set on my 205 GTi and the only good thing about them was the low dust thing (despite my sneaking suspicion they were turning the alloys a tinge of yellow!)

From what you both say - it's either the 1144's or Yellow Stuff (if I can get a fitment) then?

Gary Kinghorn
02-10-2006, 07:38 AM
The ds2500's are good too........... All three are very much the same I think.

Darren Langeveld
02-10-2006, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by Gutmann pug@Oct 2 2006, 08:38 AM
The ds2500's are good too........... All three are very much the same I think.
Do you think the DS2500's are £35 better than the 1144's ? :o

Gary Kinghorn
02-10-2006, 08:01 AM
nope

Dave G
02-10-2006, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Mr Teflon@Oct 2 2006, 08:49 AM
Do you think the DS2500's are £35 better than the 1144's ? :o
I do!

Dunno where you can get DS2500s for those prices? Mine are over £100!

They are my favourite. I have ordered Yellows for my Type R setup so I'll see how they fare.

DS3000 = too much bite agreed, likewise with my car being light. Probably ok for a touring car though, which is what they are designed for. :gay:

Darren Langeveld
02-10-2006, 08:40 AM
£88 something plus delivery from Gary's Motosports World place ........

1144's £52 ish plus delivery.

any advances ......

These pads will be swapped onto the car for ringtrips only, unless you think they could be an everyday pad that my Gertrude could get on with?

Dave G
02-10-2006, 08:43 AM
That's not so bad.

I really like DS2500, the balance is perfect. :ph43r:

I don't work for Ferodo by the way!

Gary Kinghorn
02-10-2006, 08:47 AM
I've never had a problem using that sort of pad on the road. It depends if you can be bothered to change them back and forwards every few weeks IMHO. They should last a decent amount of time no matter what.........

Make sure you have a spare set (get me home pads) on you at all times though :whistle: these can wear out at very awkward times :thumb:

Darren Langeveld
02-10-2006, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Gutmann pug@Oct 2 2006, 09:47 AM
I've never had a problem using that sort of pad on the road. It depends if you can be bothered to change them back and forwards every few weeks IMHO. They should last a decent amount of time no matter what.........

Make sure you have a spare set (get me home pads) on you at all times though :whistle: these can wear out at very awkward times :thumb:
I think I'd stick them in and give the car to my Doris to see if she could tell the difference - if she moaned then it's Saturday swap shop time ......

Good tip on the spare pads - I'll keep a set of Floyd's 'Cheese' Pads in the boot.

I spent a bit of time on the phone in August trying to source some Pagids for my mates Exige on a Sunday afternoon - but fortunately there was an expired Elise with the same calipers, so we nicked the pads out of that instead ..... :D

Dave G
02-10-2006, 09:19 AM
They say though that the constant heating/cooling cycles of road driving can increase wear speed. Which I'm not sure about, but mine have worn out quick in the past.

About eight laps of the 'Ring and a morning at Llandow, and they were down to metal. Includes the drive back from Germany.

That is a short pad life!

Ryan W
02-10-2006, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by davetouring@Oct 2 2006, 08:25 AM
Dunno where you can get DS2500s for those prices? Mine are over £100!

They are my favourite. I have ordered Yellows for my Type R setup so I'll see how they fare.

DS3000 = too much bite agreed, likewise with my car being light. Probably ok for a touring car though, which is what they are designed for. :gay:
I'll be fitting the DS2500's this weekend, Dave have you got the discs off yet mate?

I agree that the DS3000's were RAW! Too much stopping power, and Dave's discs were minced after about 20 laps of a local course... :blink:

Dave G
02-10-2006, 09:22 AM
Am I going to be disappointed with the Yellows, if I get brake fade at the 'Ring after all this prep I'll be f**king pi**ed off. :ph43r:

Dave G
02-10-2006, 09:23 AM
The DS3000s are proper hardcore. Nothing nothing nothing then almost a lock up!

Ryan, discs are indeed off. I've got the paint too. :whistle:

Ryan W
02-10-2006, 01:46 PM
I'll do your rocker this weekend mate... I'll bring round my tools on sat if your about????

:D

Darren Langeveld
06-10-2006, 07:52 PM
Just ordered some DS2500's or DS3000's - don't know how much.

:unsure: :blink: ;) :thumb:

pete_rallye
06-10-2006, 08:46 PM
Too much stopping power? No such thing! Well, maybe if you're on road tyres, but on A048's I found the ds3000's to be excellent, although they did eat my discs a bit. In the wet they were better then expected but not as good as i'd like, plenty of stopping power, but way too easy to lock up! Gonna get a set of ds2500's for wet days I think.

I found on my previous 306 i never had any problems with pads not working when they are cold, but I do with my new car. The main difference is that my old car used a brake servo and my new car doesn't, I wonder if the extra force applied with a servo could make cold pads appear to be working? Can't be good for them mind.

Darren Langeveld
07-10-2006, 05:50 AM
I'm looking forward to anything that will take the heat.

206 = 1200kg kerb
4/5 adults = up to 500kg

All in = too much for standard setup down to Adenau!

Dave G
07-10-2006, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by pete_rallye@Oct 6 2006, 09:46 PM
Too much stopping power? No such thing! Well, maybe if you're on road tyres

I found on my previous 306 i never had any problems with pads not working when they are cold, but I do with my new car. The main difference is that my old car used a brake servo and my new car doesn't, I wonder if the extra force applied with a servo could make cold pads appear to be working? Can't be good for them mind.
You are probably right, maybe I should take heed of the fact that they are for 'race-use' only and hence for use with race tyres. :shame:


The servo point is an interesting one too. Very possible. The friction coefficient is quite obviously lower when colder, but as you say it would be exaggerated without a servo.

What's your new steed by the way? Sounds interesting! :whistle:

pete_rallye
07-10-2006, 01:29 PM
Just another 306. It's loud and it has a hole in the head gasket!

Darren Langeveld
12-10-2006, 01:01 PM
I know I posted this on another thread, but for consistency .......

I ordered some DS2500's off a builder in Derby.
I pick them up over the weekend at the Ring.
Still no idea of how much they are costing .......

:ph43r:

Dave G
12-10-2006, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Mr Teflon@Oct 12 2006, 02:01 PM
I know I posted this on another thread, but for consistency .......

I ordered some DS2500's off a builder in Derby.
I pick them up over the weekend at the Ring.
Still no idea of how much they are costing .......

:ph43r:
What are wanting to know?

Price?

Darren....you are at the Ring next weekend yes? There will be lots of DS2500 dust about, at least 4 cars in our group are using them. :D

Darren Langeveld
12-10-2006, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by davetouring@Oct 12 2006, 02:04 PM
What are wanting to know?

Price?

Darren....you are at the Ring next weekend yes? There will be lots of DS2500 dust about, at least 4 cars in our group are using them. :D
I'm there this weekend too !

I'll let you know how much the pads cost me as soon as I get them.

Dave G
12-10-2006, 04:07 PM
Cool. See you there. :thumb:

It's like waiting for Christmas....as a kid.

Whenever I have a trackday approaching, I have a massive buzz.

Even more so with the 'Ring. :whistle: :thumb: :thumb:

Darren Langeveld
18-10-2006, 10:37 AM
£101.00 :ph43r:

pye21
19-10-2006, 12:09 PM
Personally i would never use DS2500 again, they dont inspire confidance and 'go off' very fast in the dry at the ring and that was in a car waying about 1050kg 1 up!!!! :o

Dave G
19-10-2006, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Mr Teflon@Oct 18 2006, 11:37 AM
£101.00 :ph43r:
Yes, they are expensive.

Pye....what car is this? What fluid were you using?

Suprised to hear that, honestly.... :blink:

taffy
24-10-2006, 07:11 AM
We've got the Ds2500 on the rears and they're not the best and will be swapping for some Mintex F2's in the week, I run Peformance Friction 03's or Mintex F2 / F4's on the front, superb pads

Pooky
24-10-2006, 08:04 AM
I've run DS2500 before, they just stuck pad material all over the disc so I got massive vibration under braking, and they didn't stop very quickly, and they didn't last very long... The same thing happened to my SportKa, an S-Type R we ran at the ring, a friend in an E30 M3, an E36 328 running APs...I'll never be fitting them again.

Ryan W
24-10-2006, 09:39 AM
My DS2500's worked a treat this weekend just gone at the ring... Fluid on the other hand didnt! :(

taffy
24-10-2006, 10:10 AM
they're in there purely for testing, wouldn't dream of using them in anger on the track. Fluid quality is crucial, I only use Castrol SRF or the Mintex Black, tried the rest and these 2 are by far the best

Juanjo
29-10-2006, 07:15 PM
On my Sti the DS 3000 had excellent braking power and feeling, but ate my discs and I had to get new ones.. and the dust in the rims is impossible to get out.

with DS 2500 less braking power, still dust and vibration problems with the dust stack to the discs, I had to skim them when back home. OK only for day to day driving... or for the rear!

Definetely next ones are not Ferodo...

Juanjo

Gary Kinghorn
29-10-2006, 07:18 PM
Pagid Yellows worked well on my Subaru Juanjo :thumb:

Gave good braking performance, didnt give too much nasty brake dust........ still ended up with brake judder though im afraid.

Gary

Juanjo
30-10-2006, 01:43 AM
judder is the vibration?

I'll probably try them next trip, thanks :thumb: for the advice... it seems like there is not perfect solution isn't it? :huh:

Gary Kinghorn
30-10-2006, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Juanjo@Oct 30 2006, 01:43 AM
judder is the vibration?

I'll probably try them next trip, thanks :thumb: for the advice... it seems like there is not perfect solution isn't it? :huh:
There is a solution but it will cost you £2000. It's an AP racing set up. It was one of the reasons I sold the car, couldnt bring myself to spend the money.....

Gary

Juanjo
30-10-2006, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Gutmann pug+Oct 30 2006, 07:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gutmann pug &#064; Oct 30 2006, 07:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Juanjo@Oct 30 2006, 01:43 AM
judder is the vibration?

I&#39;ll probably try them next trip, thanks :thumb: for the advice... it seems like there is not perfect solution isn&#39;t it? :huh:
There is a solution but it will cost you £2000. It&#39;s an AP racing set up. It was one of the reasons I sold the car, couldnt bring myself to spend the money.....

Gary[/b][/quote]


...or alternatively chop off 300 kilos of total weight in the car... I can see the advantages of a lighter car now...

I still love the Sub as day to day car, but there&#39;s probably no point on expending lots of money (which I haven&#39;t got :lol: ) on "racing upgrades"... as you said at the end you sell the car around standard price when you have spent a fortune upgrading...

Why doesn&#39;t seem LOTUS to be very popular amongst ringers? Light car with decent power should be OK...

It would be very interesting if you can comment comparing the costs of running the Sub and the Pug at the ring... specially the fun/price ratio...

:thumb:

Juanjo

Gary Kinghorn
30-10-2006, 04:09 PM
Juanjo ..........

An example of costs from the pug and the scoob

Tyres pug £35 .........Subaru £100 (and they wear out 4 at a time)
Brake pads £35........£150
Fuel Subaru nearly twice as much as the pug

However the 205 does need monthly repairs, generally around £50 per visit to the ring.

Smiles per miles .......... people never believe me but the 205 is light years ahead of the Subaru in terms of fun. The best way of describing this is that I took Bren out in the Subaru and then the 205 on back to back laps. In the Subaru we sat talking about the weather and other boring stuff. In the 205 we both grinned like idiots. I remember Bren saying at the end, &#39;&#39;now thats sooooo much more fun&#39;&#39;

Im not saying you should sell the Subaru just that the 205 suited me better ......

Gary

Floyd
30-10-2006, 06:37 PM
Tyres pug £35 .........Subaru £55 (and they wear out 4 at a time)
Brake pads £35........£55
Fuel Subaru nearly twice as much as the pug, if you get 50mpg in the pug.

Fun factor is hard to measure as I&#39;ve not driven the pug on track but I&#39;ve had some awesome laps following Simon in the Scoob.

Just to balance the arguement.

F

Darren Langeveld
31-10-2006, 08:12 PM
I feel obliged to report that after suffering terminal brake fade on the mighty 206 in August I ordered a set of DS2500&#39;s from a builder in Derby, which after collecting them in Nurburg, failed to fit the Friday night before my October trip started on the following Saturday morning.

So I had to improvise with a modification which I&#39;m pleased to report worked extremely well under the duress of about 20 4&#39;up passenger sighting laps.

The mod? I improved the cooling flow to the brake assembly.

How? By taking off the hubcaps :ph43r:

Juanjo
01-11-2006, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Mr Teflon@Oct 31 2006, 08:12 PM
I feel obliged to report that after suffering terminal brake fade on the mighty 206 in August I ordered a set of DS2500&#39;s from a builder in Derby, which after collecting them in Nurburg, failed to fit the Friday night before my October trip started on the following Saturday morning.

So I had to improvise with a modification which I&#39;m pleased to report worked extremely well under the duress of about 20 4&#39;up passenger sighting laps.

The mod? I improved the cooling flow to the brake assembly.

How? By taking off the hubcaps :ph43r:


Hubcaps? sorry for my English, I&#39;m Spanish...

what&#39;s that? in a STI?

:blink: Juanjo

Dave G
01-11-2006, 11:01 AM
This is the plastic wheel covers on a steel wheel on a Peugeot 106&#33; :thumb:

Dakkon
07-11-2006, 02:06 PM
These guys make fantastic pads, but you would have to emil them to see if the do your specific car and I am not sure of costs.

http://www.carbotecheng.com/