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oola
27-07-2006, 01:43 PM
Well it all started like most holidays with pre-trip paranoia about fluids leaking from the cars, crashing the cars or them getting stolen (I did actually find an intruder looking for my keys 48 hours before we left, luckily for him he escaped otherwise I would have been detained at Her Majesty's pleasure!) but everything ran smoothly and we met at Ferrybridge services at a blurry 5am.

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Two of the group are 'monks' and had their 360 Modena stickered up with the number '69' down the sides ....

Travel down the Chunnel wasn't too bad but different people needing more than one toilet stop was a bit frustrating, nevertheless we made good time for our 11am crossing. We spent the spare time stripping off into our shorts and t-shirts as the temperature had risen since 5am ...

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Boarding the train was like being on a mobile sauna unit!

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On with the journey and as it was only our 2nd visit, we didnt really have a clear idea of the route, although we knew we needed to avoid the road to hell after Eupen! After travelling at what seemed like warp speed we were making good progress and after a few random manouvers, we all managed to get split up but met at the ring car park just as it was closing.

The mad monks had booked there hotel in 'Nurenburg' instead of Nurburg, lucky our hotel owner managed to find a place on Cochem for them to stay.

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1st night was spent in the Pistenklause and ended about 1am.

Up bright and early to the track on Saturday where Gary introduced himself and we had a chat. We then had a call from Dave in the E46 M3 which refused to start, so he was towed to a BMW dealer who was as much use as a chocolate firegaurd.

The rest of us started lapping after buying our tickets, taking it steady and taking breaks during the closure times/downpours of rain/thunder and lightning. The day ended up being great with quite a bit of traffic but a good overall standard of driving.

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We met Thorleif and Tom from Schirmer motorsport who said he'd set Nick's CSL up, so we arranged to meet at 9am at the ring car park.

Pistenklause for us again followed by various parties centred around the truck grandprix ...... enjoying a good jagermeister fuelled laugh at the inbred-hillbillys that follow that sport.

Up early to get down to the car park, but in a daze from the previous nights booze so driving just in the afternoon was a bit of a blessing ....
Tom got to work on Nicks car and made it look so easy .... huge respect, he knows how to set up CSL's and left no stone unturned. His set up is a proper Aladins cave, especially for BMW junkies like Nick and I.

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These GT's bloody common now, I saw 6 all weekend!

Back out on the track and the cars were flying, Tom set my coilivers to a Ring spec which improved everything about the car .... we were told by so-called experts in the UK to keep to road settings for the Ring .... well I trust Tom's judgement and the car was much better than the day before.

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We had another safe day and went to eat at a Pizza place near Kelberg with Thorleif and Tom.

Monday morning turned out to be eventful .... I filled up with fuel at Adenau when half of the contents of the tank decided to spill over the forecourt!! :o
Luckily we had met Tom the day before and he fixed the problem with 1/2 an hour caused by a loose fitting, so we were back on for the 1pm opening.

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By then we were really getting to grips with the track, but the standard of driving by most people was pretty poor with a far greater number of crashes than the weekend which had seen higher numbers of vehicles.

I encountered a dutch biker who would not move over after his brainless overtaking of other bikes .... he decided to either not look in his mirrors or just didnt want to let me pass concentrating more on trying to get his knee down than being a safe rider! :jerk:

I tried to confront him in the carpark but he'd dissapeared :argue:

Managed to do about 5 laps before the closure for the rest of the day where the poor biker lost his life.

We went to Adenau for a beer before performing a few doughnuts in the main car park in town after we'd taken some piccies :nono:

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We finished the weekend off with a late night in the Pistenklause with a mad round of grappa, slippery niples and the likes!!

We left on Tuesday morning leaving Dave and his passenger behind in the E46 M3.... he had left it at Toms to fix and the AA flew them home.
After fueling up and chatting about our route home, it was 11:00am before we left, meaning we'd need to make up some serious time ..... not a problem! :P The drive was extremely rapid and we were back to the Chunnel terminal at 3:30pm after 2 stops on route :D

Then the long back up the M20, M25, A1 to York for 9:30pm, all in all, an absolutely fantastic weekend, and no disasters to boot.

Maybe we'll be back sooner than we expected .... like next month!!

Simon
27-07-2006, 02:01 PM
Nice written report there & the pictures bring it to life :thumb:

Not sure about doing donuts in Adenau town centre tbh though :nono:

oola
27-07-2006, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Simon@Jul 27 2006, 02:01 PM
Nice written report there & the pictures bring it to life :thumb:

Not sure about doing donuts in Adenau town centre tbh though :nono:
Thanks! Yes me neither, not big not clever but quite funny at the time as it was unsceduled. I think it was pent-up excitement about the whole trip going to our heads ... :whistle:

Pooky
27-07-2006, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by oola@Jul 27 2006, 01:43 PM
Back out on the track and the cars were flying, Tom set my coilivers to a Ring spec which improved everything about the car .... we were told by so-called experts in the UK to keep to road settings for the Ring .... well I trust Tom's judgement and the car was much better than the day before.
You certainly didn't get that from me, I run mine as stiff as it will possibly go when at the ring, and it's still a bit soft...

Glad you had a good time though, we'll get out together one day (145mph through the Fuchsrohe by the way, 155mph = brown trousers...)

Gary Kinghorn
27-07-2006, 03:05 PM
good report thanks for sharing.

Gary

oola
27-07-2006, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Pooky@Jul 27 2006, 03:03 PM
You certainly didn't get that from me, I run mine as stiff as it will possibly go when at the ring, and it's still a bit soft...

Glad you had a good time though, we'll get out together one day (145mph through the Fuchsrohe by the way, 155mph = brown trousers...)

Pooky - No I certainly didn't get that from you, although I think you might have a bit of an advantage over most people! :D Yes I'd like that, I'd like to see/hear/feel your car in the flesh, especially round there. I'm sure my car is capable of 145mph down there, its just my driving/track knowledge which needs to improve rather than overall speed.

Without naming and shaming at this stage, the so called 'expert' also said that he'd adjusted the geometry on the CSL and when Tom Schirmer got his hands on it, the tie rods (I think!) were seized and had not been adjusted at all and certainly not in the past 3 months so were replaced ... :nono:

Thanks Gary, its a pleasure contributing.

Thorleif
27-07-2006, 03:35 PM
Nice report, and a pleasure to meet you and your friends.

cheers

DAN THE MAN
27-07-2006, 03:42 PM
what a great line up of powerfull cars..must of sounded ace!

great report and we stopped at ferrybridge on our way to hull to cath the ferry.. on thursday..that would have been a coincidence :D

oola
27-07-2006, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Thorleif@Jul 27 2006, 03:35 PM
Nice report, and a pleasure to meet you and your friends.

cheers
Good meeting you too Thorleif, I think your CSL inspired a number in our group to either a) buy a CSL B) wrap their car in white B)

Nick really enjoyed the laps with you as well and thanks for taking is to Toms, he bailed 3 of us out with problems at the weekend.


Dan - Thats the route we're taking next time .... Hull is 40 mins from York, sounds like an easier journey alround. Did you go to Rotterdam and if so, how long is the drive to the Ring?

Floyd
27-07-2006, 06:44 PM
Ah, the so called UK experts who set cars up for the Ring even if they've never been - been there done that, cost me a packet :angry: :rolleyes:

I wonder if Tom does Jap crap :unsure: :D

F
PS nice report :thumb:

Gary Kinghorn
27-07-2006, 06:47 PM
oola, pics on the way matey :thumb:

Pooky
27-07-2006, 07:15 PM
By the way, I'll be there 15th to 20th August if you can make it back that soon.

oola
27-07-2006, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Pooky@Jul 27 2006, 07:15 PM
By the way, I'll be there 15th to 20th August if you can make it back that soon.
Thanks for the pics Gary, spot on!

Pooky - Well funny you mention it as looks like I've had my arm twisted and we could well be there again next month ..... and it looks like it could be the weekend of 19th - 20th!

Not booked anything as yet, so at the moment its 'post-trip-blues-talk' so I am sure a few will drop out but the E46 was left behind so needs picking up .... perfect excuse B)

As its DTM weekend, rooms maybe a little sparce, so we better get on with it. Will keep you posted as to our plans.

Pooky
27-07-2006, 08:16 PM
Once the bug has been caught...

I don't plan to do any more UK trackdays now, I can do the ring cheaper for a weekend - it's a no brainer, and I'm looking to store my car there for the summer months next year. Have a potential free option but I'm not confident about that so I'm on the lookout.

oola
27-07-2006, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Pooky@Jul 27 2006, 08:16 PM
Once the bug has been caught...

I don't plan to do any more UK trackdays now, I can do the ring cheaper for a weekend - it's a no brainer, and I'm looking to store my car there for the summer months next year. Have a potential free option but I'm not confident about that so I'm on the lookout.
Its funny you have said that .... I really don't feel excited about UK days after this weekend .... oh dear!!

Dave Malings
28-07-2006, 05:23 AM
Oh dear indeed.

Addiction can be expensive!

DAN THE MAN
28-07-2006, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by oola@Jul 27 2006, 03:46 PM


Dan - Thats the route we're taking next time .... Hull is 40 mins from York, sounds like an easier journey alround. Did you go to Rotterdam and if so, how long is the drive to the Ring?
yeah did go to rotterdamn but it IS expensive on the ferry.

By time u have a room and a car there AND back it mounts up...

BUT, for us we save 600 miles!! than if we went down to dover and back etc.. so its milage on the car and petrol. Actually think it works out cheaper at dover and quicker but what a ball ache driving down and putting miles on the car.

So we make it part of the trip, overnight job with food and beer and laughs, then up feeling fresh(ish) and rip down to the ring.

It a good 3 to 4 hours we noticed, odd stops and odd bit of traficc but im sure it can be done quicker :whistle:

I did 1050 miles total this weekend.. 27 laps= 348 miles

so thats 702 both ways / 2 = 351....

BIT EERY- i did almost exactly same miles down to ring, round it, and then home!

but as i say saved 600 on going hull :thumb:

DONT ask me what i spent :blink: :blink:

oola
28-07-2006, 07:12 AM
I know what you mean Dan .... I like to 'spread' the spending across cards and cash so I don't get a shock when I get home!! :D

I think I did around 2200 miles at the weekend .... York to Chunnel, Calais to Ring 20 odd laps, then home.

The drive home has motivated us to consider Hull as its only 40 mins away or us .... UK traffic is shoite! We have a mate who might be able to sort us out a discout for our next trip which will be great.

DAN THE MAN
28-07-2006, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by oola@Jul 28 2006, 07:12 AM
I know what you mean Dan .... I like to 'spread' the spending across cards and cash so I don't get a shock when I get home!! :D

I think I did around 2200 miles at the weekend .... York to Chunnel, Calais to Ring 20 odd laps, then home.

The drive home has motivated us to consider Hull as its only 40 mins away or us .... UK traffic is shoite! We have a mate who might be able to sort us out a discout for our next trip which will be great.
mate?? discount?

DO NOT UNDER NAY CIRCUMSATNCES FORGET TO INCLUDE ME ON THIS :D

And 2k miles?&#33;&#33; exactly..sod the tunnel imo... <_< :P

nrb
28-07-2006, 10:18 PM
My first post. I am good mates with oola and formed part of the crew (black CSL) impressed by this site and friendly/informative nature. I will be dropping in on a regular basis.

A big thanks to thorleif for his flying lap and tuition. BUT huge respect to Tom Schirmer. That guy worked his arse off on my car and was worth every penny. If only we had his level of expertise in the UK .God know&#39;s how many so-called "set-up" CSL&#39;s are driving around that really aint right??&#33;&#33; Further work will be carried out by him only&#33;&#33;

Gary Kinghorn
29-07-2006, 07:56 AM
Hi nrb, enjoy the site matey.

Gary

Thorleif
29-07-2006, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by nrb@Jul 29 2006, 03:18 AM
My first post. I am good mates with oola and formed part of the crew (black CSL) impressed by this site and friendly/informative nature. I will be dropping in on a regular basis.

A big thanks to thorleif for his flying lap and tuition. BUT huge respect to Tom Schirmer. That guy worked his arse off on my car and was worth every penny. If only we had his level of expertise in the UK .God know&#39;s how many so-called "set-up" CSL&#39;s are driving around that really aint right??&#33;&#33; Further work will be carried out by him only&#33;&#33;
Nice to meet you Nick, and I am happy it all worked out in the right direction regardig the CSL, and your friends cars. See you soon again over there then.

Tom and I is still setting up the CSL, so when it is "perfect" I will give a real flying lap.

cheers

Dave Malings
29-07-2006, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by nrb@Jul 28 2006, 11:18 PM
God know&#39;s how many so-called "set-up" CSL&#39;s are driving around that really aint right??&#33;&#33; Further work will be carried out by him only&#33;&#33;
Yep this has become a big problem. There are a lot of "so called" experts out there.

Speedy Gonzales
29-07-2006, 12:07 PM
First post and a great site&#33; :thumb:

Superb weekend with oola and the crew (red NSX).

Good to meet you Gary&#33; :wave:

Dan, pleased you enjoyed the quick ride in the X. Once these Honda&#39;s get under your skin... :P

Gary Kinghorn
29-07-2006, 12:19 PM
Good to meet you too matey :thumb:

Enjoy the site.

Gary

DAN THE MAN
29-07-2006, 03:14 PM
ahh u found us. more jap crap power on these pages from now on :gay: :thumb:

nrb
30-07-2006, 10:06 AM
Thorleif,

I&#39;m really interested to understand the revisions you and Tom make to the CSL, I certainly look foward to my next flying lap with you&#33;
Although your car&#39;s set-up is more "race" specced than mine I&#39;m keen for any improvements you find to filter onto my car&#33;

Thorleif
30-07-2006, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by nrb@Jul 30 2006, 03:06 PM
Thorleif,

I&#39;m really interested to understand the revisions you and Tom make to the CSL, I certainly look foward to my next flying lap with you&#33;
Although your car&#39;s set-up is more "race" specced than mine I&#39;m keen for any improvements you find to filter onto my car&#33;

Nick, will keep you updated on how we improve it for me. The thing is that all drives differently, so whats great for me, could be crap for you. I have also promised Steve to help him out, to get the best out of his CSL.

cheers

Gary Kinghorn
30-07-2006, 11:46 AM
I would suggest that once you start getting into truely hardcore mods (such as Thorleif) you really are tailoring the car to your own driving style. It&#39;s therefore impossible for one set up to suit everyone?

Gary

nrb
30-07-2006, 07:44 PM
Gary,

Agree about tailoring set up for the individual driver. We must remember though in the UK there is limited knowledge on "fine tuning" the CSL. I had first hand (or should I say 5k worth) experience of the so called top UK expert, Tom Schirmer ripped his work apart&#33;&#33;&#33; I am an info junkie so for me it&#39;s great to know what is possible and what other people are doing to their CSL&#39;s. I am still only 30 laps old on the NS so everything helps.

Gary Kinghorn
30-07-2006, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by nrb@Jul 30 2006, 08:44 PM
I had first hand (or should I say 5k worth) experience of the so called top UK expert, Tom Schirmer ripped his work apart&#33;&#33;&#33;
But whose to say that Tom is right? He may be right for the &#39;ring&#39; but will you be using the car elsewhere?

Thorleifs car is driven 100% on the ring and therefore he uses local experts to tailor the car for him and that particular track.

Sometimes you have to find a compromise, something which is 85% right for the ring, but is also driveable on the road and UK tracks. This isn&#39;t required for our Viking friend ;)

Gary

nrb
30-07-2006, 09:53 PM
Gary,

Tom put right the things that should of been done in the first place. Things I payed a lot of money for that were either not done properly or not done at all. I have invoices stating things done from the UK firm and photographic evidence showing quite the contrary. Obviously we must find a balance for varying tracks and road, hence purchasing fully adjustable suspension so I can adjust. Tom merely highlighted the errors on the car and gave me and my friends usefull advice.

Thorleif
31-07-2006, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by nrb@Jul 31 2006, 02:53 AM
Gary,

Tom put right the things that should of been done in the first place.

Tom merely highlighted the errors on the car and gave me and my friends usefull advice.
Tom Schirmer is not only a specialist for the ring, since he is running an international raceteam. He is building street, trackday and race cars in his workshop, so he is person with a huge knowlage of BMW, and how they shoul be on a track, not only NS.
I have been useing his knowlage for the last four years, and his help and advise, have beenvery important for my development at the ring. Whithout a vehicle you trust you will never be fast or improve on this fantastic track :whistle:

Gary Kinghorn
31-07-2006, 06:46 AM
In which case I will bow to your superior knowledge chaps :lol: :lol: :lol: :whistle:

Thorleif
31-07-2006, 07:33 AM
We are all there to learn :D :D :thumb:

oola
31-07-2006, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by Thorleif@Jul 31 2006, 07:33 AM
We are all there to learn :D :D :thumb:
&#39;Every day is a school day&#39;&#33; :thumb:

Darren Langeveld
31-07-2006, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by oola@Jul 31 2006, 08:01 AM
&#39;Every day is a school day&#39;&#33; :thumb:
Can&#39;t be - I never drink on a school day ? :blink:

Gary Kinghorn
31-07-2006, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Mr Teflon@Jul 31 2006, 12:22 PM
Can&#39;t be - I never drink on a school day ? :blink:
and you didnt have many on that non school day either :whistle: