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Montana
03-01-2009, 05:45 PM
In the same vein of Hadogs previous post, I have some questions about RWD driving.

I got my first RWD car in March last year after driving FWD cars for 10+ years.

The first thing I noticed was the extra grip and the totally different feel to the car. To iterate, I prefer it.

However, I am well aware its a more 'dangerous' format in that if I get it wrong, its harder to correct, or so it seems.

Anything new is harder I suppose, and its got to the point where I'm not sure I'd know what to do if it all went wrong.

For example I put my foot down earlier and the rear wheels lost traction and the car started to fishtail, however it didnt move enough and it was too fast to apply any opposite lock.

My brain being in panic mode went and did what I'd have done in a similar situation in a FWD car and I balanced the throttle and then let go of the throttle and applied the brakes lightly but firmly.

Totally the wrong thing to do.

Or is it? As the car then regained traction and straightened out.

In similar situations before when the fishtailing was more pronounced, some opposite lock and it seems to sort itself out. However, I have no real idea what I'm doing.

So, can anyone give me some RWD pointers?

Its a bit unnerving going from FWD to RWD and specifically to such a powerful RWD car.

I'm thinking one of the best investments might be some form of training in dealing with 'edge of grip/on the limits' type RWD stuff in my own car.

However, this RWD stuff is all new to me and the new car is a lot lighter, a lot faster and thus a lot more potential to get things wrong than the old one.

So, any pointers would be useful, especially if you can compare them to the FWD equivalents.

Darran
03-01-2009, 06:10 PM
http://www.carlimits.com/ Well worth the money.

moleman
03-01-2009, 06:27 PM
look no further than http://www.catdrivertraining.co.uk/

pye21
03-01-2009, 06:40 PM
^^ What they said.

Get the Pro's to show you instead of listening to us lot.

:thumb:

EmmaW
03-01-2009, 07:46 PM
oooh Car limits day at North Weald is very tempting!

MannyA
03-01-2009, 08:23 PM
I went from FWD to RWD 2 years ago and can honestly say I just got in and drove it. Not sure why people think its an issue?

On the way into a corner it's arguably safer, mid corner there isnt much difference, the biggest difference and what makes RWD great is at the exit of a corner, if it steps out, just lift your foot of the loud pedal. :fish:

I think it's actually harder to drive a FWD car quick as its all about keeping up mid corner speed and a twitchy track prepped golf / 205 is arguably more on a handful on a wet track than a RWD car.

Montana
03-01-2009, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by EmmaW@Jan 3 2009, 08:46 PM
oooh Car limits day at North Weald is very tempting!
And at 199 for a 4 person day that's properly reasonable prices.

Now I need to find some more people to go too.

EmmaW, Russ?

Floyd
03-01-2009, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 3 2009, 09:28 PM
And at 199 for a 4 person day that's properly reasonable prices.

Now I need to find some more people to go too.

EmmaW, Russ?
I've done two of these and Andy says that the technique for his test corner is the same whatever car you are in.

Russ_F
03-01-2009, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 3 2009, 09:28 PM
And at 199 for a 4 person day that's properly reasonable prices.

Now I need to find some more people to go too.

EmmaW, Russ?
Dave :thumb:

I think this thread was inspired by a text i had from Dave earlier :lol: :lol:

"The yellow peril tried to kill me"

:blink:

Pete R
03-01-2009, 11:20 PM
I don't tend to drive that differently, when the back steps out it's usually contrived and easily brought back. That's only when I've driven my mums mx5 and on public roads though, it may well be a bit more tricky when pushing.

Understeer in mine is easy to correct, just a tad frustrating when it happens.

I'm not sure if I'm just getting drawn in to a misconception but I think I would find it a quite big step in jumping in to RWD, not so much for the road but on track, any track not just the ring. Though swapping ends and having a massive bill there would be a scary thought.

The-Vee
03-01-2009, 11:49 PM
Going Faster! by Carl Lopez, chapter 1 to 6. Best mod I ever did to my car. Just like my uncle said "There is nothing wrong with the car, except the gasket between the steering wheel and drivers seat."

simon_davis
04-01-2009, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 3 2009, 09:28 PM
And at 199 for a 4 person day that's properly reasonable prices.

Now I need to find some more people to go too.

EmmaW, Russ?

Hi there,

I'd be interested in joining you on one of these days.

I also like the sound of the CAT training on the Alpine pass at Milbrook (as seen on TG) - ideal for 'Ring training I guess.

If you need someone to join you, let me know.

I haven't got a track car at the moment, but I'm on the lookout for a Caterham or the like, ready for this year. So RWD is the way forward for me! B)

Regards,
Simon

Tony
04-01-2009, 11:12 AM
What you need to the space to experience what happens when you overstep the limits. A training day will certainly do that and will be good fun to boot :thumb:

It took me two years of driving the M3 befpre I was happy throwing it around and whilst the steering on M3's (particularly the 3.0 like mine) is not the most talkative or fast, it is at least consistent and you can learn to work with it. :thumb:

Have fun ;)

Dave G
04-01-2009, 03:15 PM
If you go from FWD to RWD having never driven RWD and find it easy. . . . . . You aren't going that fast(!), or you are a hero. Driver training/Drift days are the way forwards, or sideways as the case may be. :thumb:

chilled
04-01-2009, 03:34 PM
Other than re-iterate what others have said about training is that smoothly does it.

Do nothing abrubtly.

But there is NO substitute for practice/experience. A drift day is worth going to. And also once you're getting happier sideways, find a safe corner where if it all goes wrong you've got nothing to hit, and keep going more sideways around it until you find the limit. Until you're passed the true limit of the car, rather than your limit, it's difficult to properly drive a RWD car fast.

The-Vee
04-01-2009, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by chilled@Jan 4 2009, 04:34 PM
Other than re-iterate what others have said about training is that smoothly does it.

Do nothing abrubtly.

But there is NO substitute for practice/experience. A drift day is worth going to. And also once you're getting happier sideways, find a safe corner where if it all goes wrong you've got nothing to hit, and keep going more sideways around it until you find the limit. Until you're passed the true limit of the car, rather than your limit, it's difficult to properly drive a RWD car fast.
Good advice, however don't interpret it like you NEED to crash to find the limit, cause when you crash, what are you going to do, go back and see where the RPM needle stuck just before impact? The car provides enough signs before it goes. The trick is taking it step by step and nog step..step..jump.

Besides, crahsing sucks, even hitting gravel is a bitch. Although never been in gravel I heard that it really is a killer, debree stuck everywhere, between pulley's, belts, messing up sensors, wires etc. Yahk.

chilled
04-01-2009, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by The&#045;Vee+Jan 4 2009, 04:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The-Vee @ Jan 4 2009, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chilled@Jan 4 2009, 04:34 PM
Other than re-iterate what others have said about training is that smoothly does it.

Do nothing abrubtly.

But there is NO substitute for practice/experience. A drift day is worth going to. And also once you&#39;re getting happier sideways, find a safe corner where if it all goes wrong you&#39;ve got nothing to hit, and keep going more sideways around it until you find the limit. Until you&#39;re passed the true limit of the car, rather than your limit, it&#39;s difficult to properly drive a RWD car fast.
Good advice, however don&#39;t interpret it like you NEED to crash to find the limit, cause when you crash, what are you going to do, go back and see where the RPM needle stuck just before impact? The car provides enough signs before it goes. The trick is taking it step by step and nog step..step..jump.

Besides, crahsing sucks, even hitting gravel is a bitch. Although never been in gravel I heard that it really is a killer, debree stuck everywhere, between pulley&#39;s, belts, messing up sensors, wires etc. Yahk. [/b][/quote]
Precisely. There&#39;s a lovely bit at Bedford where you can spin and there&#39;s nothing to hit for at least 1/2 a mile in all directions, and you remain on the tarmac.

I think the first lotus stuff is done somewhere you won&#39;t hit anything when you finally spin.

MannyA
04-01-2009, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by Dave G@Jan 4 2009, 04:15 PM
If you go from FWD to RWD having never driven RWD and find it easy. . . . . . You aren&#39;t going that fast(&#33;), or you are a hero. Driver training/Drift days are the way forwards, or sideways as the case may be. :thumb:
Think you are making it sound more dramatic than it really is, are you a TVR driver? :blink:

If you can drive a FWD car quick, you can drive a RWD car quick. A RWD car wont suddenly lob itself off the road for no apparent reason.

Floyd
04-01-2009, 05:38 PM
Bedford are stopping anything that makes too much noise and that includes drift/ slide practise :(

Dave G
04-01-2009, 05:43 PM
Don&#39;t mean to sound dramatic, but there&#39;s quick and quick and if you can go quick in FWD it doesn&#39;t necessarily mean you can do the same in RWD straight away as it could have disasterous results&#33;

Montana
04-01-2009, 05:49 PM
I agree with Dave G.

I am pretty fast with a FWD car but there are techniques that you absolutely couldnt do in a RWD car.

Coming onto the gas halfway though a corner in a FWD car will simply tighten up the corner and allow a fast exit.

Doing the same in a RWD car as far as I can tell will make the back overtake the front.

lizard
04-01-2009, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 4 2009, 06:49 PM
I agree with Dave G.

I am pretty fast with a FWD car but there are techniques that you absolutely couldnt do in a RWD car.

Coming onto the gas halfway though a corner in a FWD car will simply tighten up the corner and allow a fast exit.

Doing the same in a RWD car as far as I can tell will make the back overtake the front.
Bit of an odd comparison there, as unless the gay wheel drive has lsd in that situation if near limit of grip anyway will just understeer to the outside of the bend- can left foot brake tho which stops the unloaded wheel spinning up a bit tho- i did this a fair bit on track, does eat pads tho.

Rwd in that situation is exactly what most of us who are not really decent drifters will do to get the tail a bit frisky on the way out, tiny bit of oppo on tail few degrees out of line ahh magic :thumb:

slidersguesthouse
04-01-2009, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 4 2009, 07:49 PM
I agree with Dave G.

I am pretty fast with a FWD car but there are techniques that you absolutely couldnt do in a RWD car.

Coming onto the gas halfway though a corner in a FWD car will simply tighten up the corner and allow a fast exit.

Doing the same in a RWD car as far as I can tell will make the back overtake the front.
Getting on gas hard mid corner makes a fwd car understeer and run wide not tighten the corner up.. :whistle: unless fitted with an lsd

lizard
04-01-2009, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 3 2009, 06:45 PM
However, this RWD stuff is all new to me and the new car is a lot lighter, a lot faster and thus a lot more potential to get things wrong than the old one.

So, any pointers would be useful, especially if you can compare them to the FWD equivalents.
Far far far better handling & faster of course yes, but weight wise vs mine the yellow peril (& your old un would be similar) with spare wheel removed from mine the weighed diference is less than an average pasenger... certainly a lot less than a fat fook like me anyway :P

Montana
04-01-2009, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by slidersguesthouse@Jan 4 2009, 07:43 PM
Getting on gas hard mid corner makes a fwd car understeer and run wide not tighten the corner up.. :whistle: unless fitted with an lsd
It was simply a representation of in a RWD situation, regardless of what the FWD does, it&#39;d go through the corner quite well in comparison to the RWD car, which would go through the corner backwards with the same application of power mid corner.

Which is kind of the point, bloomin scary these high power RWD things when you have a desire to push the limits.

MannyA
04-01-2009, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 4 2009, 06:49 PM
I agree with Dave G.

I am pretty fast with a FWD car but there are techniques that you absolutely couldnt do in a RWD car.

Coming onto the gas halfway though a corner in a FWD car will simply tighten up the corner and allow a fast exit.

Doing the same in a RWD car as far as I can tell will make the back overtake the front.
I assume you meant coming off the power will tighten up your line.

The rules are exactly the same, FWD or RWD mate, don&#39;t lift of when heavily loaded mid corner or you will spin, manage the power on the way out.

This idea that the rear will suddenly overtake the front in a RWD car is nonsense IMO, if people are telling you that it&#39;s only to massage their RWD egos. Infact when push comes to shove most RWD cars will understeer before the back steps out.

There are differences, you need to be smoother in a RWD car, I found that the "maintain corner speed at all costs" approach that I used to use in FWD cars just built up understeer, so I adapted my style slightly. As mentioned in my previous post I find RWD cars easier to drive than FWD cars, especially on wet tracks, you have more options available to you.

slidersguesthouse
04-01-2009, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 4 2009, 08:59 PM
It was simply a representation of in a RWD situation, regardless of what the FWD does, it&#39;d go through the corner quite well in comparison to the RWD car, which would go through the corner backwards with the same application of power mid corner.

Which is kind of the point, bloomin scary these high power RWD things when you have a desire to push the limits.
not really, just put a bit of opposite lock on.. or the main failure most people have (i notice it a lot when instructing)

Rule 1 : you cannot keep the same steering input for increased power input

basically..if you apply power you reduce steering lock otherwise the car wants to wind itself up.. smae with front or rear wheel drive cars.. you give the tyres a chance to grip by reducing the lateral forces applied to the car

MannyA
04-01-2009, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 4 2009, 07:59 PM
it&#39;d go through the corner quite well in comparison to the RWD car, which would go through the corner backwards with the same application of power mid corner.



What sort of RWD cars have you been driving? :blink:

lizard
04-01-2009, 07:31 PM
Montana, for me I couldnt really justify the of one to one type driver development days, I did a couple of the multi car activity days with walshy- circa 25 a go, just shove some old tyres on as they do get ruined, fantastic for arse out fun round cones with nothing to hit.

Then a few airfield days with MSV a couple of which were wet, nothing to hit & I learnt a lot.

I&#39;m still pretty cack if im honest, there are some guys on here with real talent & im a long long long way down that list & ive a few mates that I am literally in awe of their skills. I look of that vid of Karan overtaking GVK at Cadwell in the wet properly sideways at a decent pace & I just have so much admiration for that type of precision driving & rwd mastery.

That M3 of yours is about the easiest car on the planet to get rwd skills in, & get the rear moving about in complete safety, its long & pretty much sends you a telegram & e-mail & text message about what its going to do before it does it & is far far less frisky at the rear than an e30, heck my 325 e30 with its rip roaring 170 odd bhp was far more sensitive at the rear than 280 odd bhp of M3.

Only down side of e36 is that when it goes wrong its heavy & will go a long way, I did a vid of me on here drifting round a roundabout in my Caterham, messed it up a couple of times, & it just stops almost instantly- thats 500kg for you, i used to do the same in my m3 & if i got it wrong I ended up on the middle of the roundabout&#33; thats near 1500kg for you

As Tony said e36 steering, esp 3.0 (vs 3.2) is not the best, & it does lack feel, but heck vs 14million turns lock to lock of an e30 is like my old Caterham in comparison :P


But all in all I reckon the yellow preil is not for you, so as im such a nice guy knock a couple of k off it so its more in my league & i&#39;ll take it off yr hands very happily :thumb: :P

Dave G
04-01-2009, 07:32 PM
I&#39;ll be honest, my Nissan 200SX with approx 290bhp with Pilot Sports was determined to swap ends when going about 90% with a slight over-application of power. This can mean great fun drifting but for a notice I don&#39;t doubt would result in an accident without using much more caution than you would in a FWD. Generally if the front end washes out in FWD then if you reduce throttle and reduce steering input you&#39;ll be back on track. In RWD, unless you know what you&#39;re doing you MAY have already spun.

Dave G
04-01-2009, 07:34 PM
That should have read novice, not notice. My girlfriend would like to add that RWD cars are like cats.

GVK
04-01-2009, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by lizard@Jan 4 2009, 08:31 PM
I look of that vid of Karan overtaking GVK at Cadwell in the wet properly sideways at a decent pace & I just have so much admiration for that type of precision driving & rwd mastery.




Yes that was very very impressive, top skills indeed Karan :D

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0WuBu5RzGVM

"Some more slippery stuff at Cadwell park.
Note - moment at 1min35 @ Barn, and some proper drifting by Karan in his Silvia @ 7min05&#33; Enjoy&#33;"

I think Chris Harris covers the basics of rwd quite well in his recent vid on DR (http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?videoid=7541d92de8e6429589e88fa78589f274&area=videos), It&#39;s the winding back off the lock after you&#39;ve corrected the slide that most ( me included ) have or will do wrong, which turns it into an ugly fat old tankslapper - I had a rwd car in 1990 but hav&#39;nt had one since - my little mk2 Escort was good fun on wet roundabouts, and I spun it plenty of time &#39;practising&#39; :whistle:

Dave G
04-01-2009, 08:07 PM
Snap. Learnt to drift on grass and a very quiet wet roundabout at 19 in a 325i Sport. Oh and skidding my push bike everywhere. :lol:

Montana
04-01-2009, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by lizard@Jan 4 2009, 08:31 PM
But all in all I reckon the yellow preil is not for you, so as im such a nice guy knock a couple of k off it so its more in my league & i&#39;ll take it off yr hands very happily :thumb: :P
Hahahhaa.

No

:D :lol: :lol:

But otherwise, good advice, thanks.

Thats half the problem I&#39;m having, is not knowing how much and how badly it could go wrong, or even if it would, because its an unfamiliar car.

I reckon 200 spent on a 4 car on the limits thing will be money well spent, even if the only benefit is increased confidence on my behalf.

karan
04-01-2009, 09:53 PM
best tip is firstly not to try anything fancy on the road, a lot of us have been there and made that mistake :shame:

you need to get to a drift practise day where there is a large open space and you can get the feel for the car losing and gaining grips at each end. You can only really learn yourself by doing although i reckon good instruction can help some people learn faster

what car is it you are using as all the rwd cars i have driven act very differently

The-Vee
04-01-2009, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by karan@Jan 4 2009, 10:53 PM
best tip is firstly not to try anything fancy on the road, a lot of us have been there and made that mistake :shame:
+1 ... = bent lower arm, snapped steering arm, broken off castor-arm, slightly bent wheel after an understeering encounter with a sloped kerb while trying to intiate a drift with a welded LSD.

Russ_F
04-01-2009, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by The&#045;Vee@Jan 4 2009, 11:13 PM
+1 ... = bent lower arm, snapped steering arm, broken off castor-arm, slightly bent wheel after an understeering encounter with a sloped kerb while trying to intiate a drift.
Ooops :blink:

Although i&#39;ve had my fair share of talentless moments on the road :huh: There were still 3 wheels left on my immaculate Daytona violet m3 though :whistle:

Floyd
05-01-2009, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by Russ_bmworx@Jan 4 2009, 11:52 PM
Ooops :blink:

Although i&#39;ve had my fair share of talentless moments on the road :huh: There were still 3 wheels left on my immaculate Daytona violet m3 though :whistle:
Haven&#39;t we all? :lol: :(

Jim Cameron
05-01-2009, 07:07 AM
Hi :wave:

Mark
05-01-2009, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 3 2009, 09:28 PM
And at 199 for a 4 person day that&#39;s properly reasonable prices.

Now I need to find some more people to go too.

EmmaW, Russ?
I wouldn&#39;t mind join you, North Wield is only 15mins away from me and been wanting to do one of these days for a while.

GVK
05-01-2009, 10:48 PM
Ouch

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e8S3-KLc29E&feature=related

Russ_F
05-01-2009, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Mark83+Jan 5 2009, 10:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark83 @ Jan 5 2009, 10:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Montana@Jan 3 2009, 09:28 PM
And at 199 for a 4 person day that&#39;s properly reasonable prices.

Now I need to find some more people to go too.

EmmaW, Russ?
I wouldn&#39;t mind join you, North Wield is only 15mins away from me and been wanting to do one of these days for a while. [/b][/quote]
Had a chat with Dave(montana) about this today, will keep you posted :thumb:

Jim Cameron
05-01-2009, 11:13 PM
This chap will teach you a thing or two. Note the clever use of neon...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jyO19BCPo1s&feature=related

Russ_F
05-01-2009, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cameron@Jan 6 2009, 12:13 AM
This chap will teach you a thing or two. Note the clever use of neon...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jyO19BCPo1s&feature=related
What a tw4t.....

Check THIS (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i1Y1xxMobZk&feature=related) out

:thumb:

Russ_F
05-01-2009, 11:37 PM
And THIS (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HodXYjA1ft4&feature=related)

:blink:

THIS (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xry5Mam-egY) guy must have had tw4t of the week at some point

Jim Cameron
05-01-2009, 11:43 PM
Hadn&#39;t seen the guy in the ditch before :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumb:

Dan
06-01-2009, 07:57 AM
FAIL (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AD2nvhCotIg&feature=related) :lol:

bimmer
06-01-2009, 02:28 PM
Paid drifting/track courses are very good but if you want to save money
then just find a big/huge empty parking lot and explore the cars limits,
what it does when it is about to loose grip and how to catch it if it does.
Doing that when there is snow is also very good because all happens
more slowly and its easier on the car.

A lot of these drift practices saved my a&#036;&#036; as this clip demonstrates:
http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_...ang/oh_shit.wmv (http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_Fahrerlehrgang/oh_shit.wmv)

Montana
06-01-2009, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by bimmer@Jan 6 2009, 03:28 PM
A lot of these drift practices saved my a&#036;&#036; as this clip demonstrates:
http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_...ang/oh_shit.wmv (http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_Fahrerlehrgang/oh_shit.wmv)
That is awesome.

I now see the benefit in glorious colour.


Epic save.

Russ_F
06-01-2009, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by bimmer@Jan 6 2009, 03:28 PM
Paid drifting/track courses are very good but if you want to save money
then just find a big/huge empty parking lot and explore the cars limits,
what it does when it is about to loose grip and how to catch it if it does.
Doing that when there is snow is also very good because all happens
more slowly and its easier on the car.

A lot of these drift practices saved my a&#036;&#036; as this clip demonstrates:
http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_...ang/oh_shit.wmv (http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_Fahrerlehrgang/oh_shit.wmv)
:o Great vid thordur, car looks v v quick :thumb:

Pedro
06-01-2009, 10:22 PM
Oh, so thats how you do

bimmer
07-01-2009, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Russ_bmworx+Jan 6 2009, 11:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Russ_bmworx @ Jan 6 2009, 11:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bimmer@Jan 6 2009, 03:28 PM
Paid drifting/track courses are very good but if you want to save money
then just find a big/huge empty parking lot and explore the cars limits,
what it does when it is about to loose grip and how to catch it if it does.
Doing that when there is snow is also very good because all happens
more slowly and its easier on the car.

A lot of these drift practices saved my a&#036;&#036; as this clip demonstrates:
http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_...ang/oh_shit.wmv (http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_Fahrerlehrgang/oh_shit.wmv)
:o Great vid thordur, car looks v v quick :thumb: [/b][/quote]
The car is indeed fast - now has alot more ponies than when this
video was recorded :D

Floyd
07-01-2009, 06:20 PM
Will we see it this year?

bimmer
07-01-2009, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Floyd@Jan 7 2009, 07:20 PM
Will we see it this year?
Hopefully ;)

Jim Cameron
07-01-2009, 10:12 PM
I&#39;ve done the same thing, in the same place :blink: Nice save, chap :thumb:

I treat Wippermann entry with a lot more respect nowadays, I dare say you do too :lol:

Floyd
07-01-2009, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cameron@Jan 7 2009, 11:12 PM
I&#39;ve done the same thing, in the same place :blink: Nice save, chap :thumb:

I treat Wippermann entry with a lot more respect nowadays, I dare say you do too :lol:
Tell that to Oakie :blink: ;)

The-Vee
07-01-2009, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by bimmer@Jan 6 2009, 03:28 PM
Paid drifting/track courses are very good but if you want to save money
then just find a big/huge empty parking lot and explore the cars limits,
what it does when it is about to loose grip and how to catch it if it does.
Doing that when there is snow is also very good because all happens
more slowly and its easier on the car.

A lot of these drift practices saved my a&#036;&#036; as this clip demonstrates:
http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_...ang/oh_shit.wmv (http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_Fahrerlehrgang/oh_shit.wmv)
I take my hat off to you sir&#33;&#33;&#33;

JuniorGT
07-01-2009, 10:52 PM
brilliant vid Bimmer, saw that on youtube a while ago... went straight to the favourites :lol:

EmmaW
08-01-2009, 05:01 PM
i&#39;d be in for North Weald, yes :thumb:

bimmer
09-01-2009, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cameron@Jan 7 2009, 11:12 PM
I&#39;ve done the same thing, in the same place :blink: Nice save, chap :thumb:

I treat Wippermann entry with a lot more respect nowadays, I dare say you do too :lol:
YES&#33;&#33;

BTW, here is the whole lap - I was racing an EVO hence going a little bit
(too) fast....

http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_...it_lap_0835.wmv (http://www.rngtoy.com/thordur/almennt/BMW_Fahrerlehrgang/2007-08-12__Lap-06_solo_oh_shit_lap_0835.wmv)

Montana
13-01-2009, 07:11 PM
EmmaW
Mark83

I want to book this thing soon, I&#39;m looking at Feb 2nd/3rd/4th. (Mon/Tue or Wed)

Its 199 for the day and I have myself and my girlfriend going to book.

Russ isnt coming as he wants to concentrate on building his track car, which wont be finished by then.

Either of you available for those dates?

I want to book ASAP.

If not, I&#39;ll book the remaining two slots on a two person day soonest.

Russ_F
13-01-2009, 07:29 PM
Quaiffe + 130i hmmm need to think :whistle:

:lol: :lol:

Mark
14-01-2009, 10:28 AM
Any of those dates are fine with me :thumb:

Montana
14-01-2009, 11:37 AM
I was gonna book tomorrow.

thinking the Monday.

will post when done.

Montana
15-01-2009, 11:32 AM
I&#39;m now booked for the 2nd Feb.

2 Spaces left.......

Mark
15-01-2009, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Montana@Jan 15 2009, 12:32 PM
I&#39;m now booked for the 2nd Feb.

2 Spaces left.......
Booked and paid.

1 space left :thumb:

Montana
15-01-2009, 02:26 PM
Oddly, I just had a phone call telling me you had paid :D

So EmmaW, Russ?

Someone, anyone, want to fill the 4th space?

alclark
15-01-2009, 02:47 PM
Just read this whole thread are there are no actual RWD driving tips&#33;

Here are some:

How to drive RWD cars:

1) Get Sideways
2) Wave To The Crowd
3) Get The Girls&#33;

Simon
15-01-2009, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by alclark@Jan 15 2009, 03:47 PM
How to drive RWD cars:

1) Get Sideways
2) Wave To The Crowd
3) Get The Girls&#33;
lol. :lol:

hadoq
23-01-2009, 08:24 PM
just a few things I figured out since I got my mx5

compared to FWD, RWD seem to be much more sensible to the road/track&#39;s grip. There were places I could go pedal to the metal in the civic and I found out they were slippery when I tried em with the miata (got a brown pants moment already)

I&#39;ll book for a drift day sometime soon, got to get some &#036;&#036; first, but I got advised that drift days are a good way to go.

JuniorGT
25-01-2009, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by alclark@Jan 15 2009, 03:47 PM
How to drive RWD cars:

1) Get Sideways
2) Wave To The Crowd
3) Get The Girls&#33;
:thumb:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s11/joshpologt/drifting101tshirt_detail.jpg

simple as pie

BCA
25-01-2009, 07:05 PM
Drifting 101 :lol:

jjturner
25-01-2009, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by alclark@Jan 15 2009, 03:47 PM
Just read this whole thread are there are no actual RWD driving tips&#33;

Here are some:

How to drive RWD cars:

1) Get Sideways
2) Wave To The Crowd
3) Get The Girls&#33;
4) get a days ban?? :whistle:

Montana
02-02-2009, 06:43 AM
Aaaaaargh&#33;

Not for me today.

Got to the bottom of my road, solid traffic.

Rang AA traffic watch.

Over 3 hours delay from where I am on the M25 to North Weald&#33;&#33;

Fecking snow.


I am re-booking later on in the day.

GVK
02-02-2009, 11:26 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7864232.stm

RWD eh... :lol:

Montana
02-02-2009, 11:38 AM
Rang them up, course was canceled, only one person made it to the airfield, but then got stuck on the airfield&#33;&#33;&#33;

GVK
02-02-2009, 11:43 AM
Must be bad down that way, bugger all here in Worcs so far.