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Das Chin
02-01-2009, 10:03 AM
am sure it will be quick but will bomb in price like all other new cars.

i was very impressed with the focus ST when I drove one so this should be a cracker. and all for 25k!!

shame its not 4wd as could be a tad tricky in the wetski!

http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news_artic...mentid=11983686 (http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news_article.aspx?cp-documentid=11983686)

Dan
02-01-2009, 10:07 AM
I'm sure it will be a very good car but I can't see how much better it would be than a moddified ST. i.e. 300bhp + LSD (no more than 3k)

it will be 24,995 to buy but thats before you can add the options on. I think fully spec'd its nearly 27k and that is putting it into play with the jap stuff which are better cars.

I give it 6months before you can pick one up well under 20

GVK
02-01-2009, 10:19 AM
When Brooklyn Ford in Worcester started taking orders for them last year, I'm pretty sure they had sold all their allocated quota of cars.

Even if they're no better than a modded ST you'll get people that had Sierra and Escort Cosworths back in the day buying them.

Look forward to seeing Drivers Republic test one, when is it released?

Dan
02-01-2009, 10:23 AM
People will buy them for the RS badge that is true. I personally think they look too chavy with all the cheap shiny black plastic on it.

Tony
02-01-2009, 10:39 AM
I suspect that it will be much better than 'a modded ST' going by previous performance.
The Mk1 Focus RS was a bespoke piece of kit which cost Ford 28k to make yet sold for 23k (iirc). The new one will not be as different from the base model as the MK1 but it will feature things like wider tracks, much better dampers etc. don't forget that prior to the recent price collapse, the Mk1 Focus was still exchanging hands for 15k+ for a six year old car B)

I am hoping to blag my way on to a R26R vs RS test in the spring as that would be epic :thumb:

Dan
02-01-2009, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Tony@Jan 2 2009, 11:39 AM
I suspect that it will be much better than 'a modded ST' going by previous performance.
The Mk1 Focus RS was a bespoke piece of kit which cost Ford 28k to make yet sold for 23k (iirc). The new one will not be as different from the base model as the MK1 but it will feature things like wider tracks, much better dampers etc. don't forget that prior to the recent price collapse, the Mk1 Focus was still exchanging hands for 15k+ for a six year old car B)

I am hoping to blag my way on to a R26R vs RS test in the spring as that would be epic :thumb:
The only real difference is the LSD/Revo knuckle and the power.

The power is easy to achieve in the ST and the LSD and revo knuckle can be retro fitted. I'm sure it will be a better track car out of the box, just dont think there is that much of a gap between them.

mk1 FRS is a great car and they did make them for more than they sold them for but this new one isn't being made to lose money. I just feel they could have made it more powerful and maybe 4WD. I just not sure it will be special enough for the price tag.

saw a R26R at a PH meet last weekend. looks like a good bit of kit, wasnt sure about the 6 point harness for everyday driving though (there are no normal seat belts either). Hats off the Renault for making it though.

Ojc
02-01-2009, 01:46 PM
Agree with Dan, it's not really anything new is it? Ok it has 300bhp but the revo knuckle design could be found on the Megane years ago, and you don't see Renault shouting from the rooftops about it.

I would rather spend 10k on a second hand ST, and spend 5k making it as good as the RS and still have money left over for unlimited trips to the 'Ring.

Floyd
02-01-2009, 02:15 PM
I saw similar (and nice) seats in a VXR Corsa. It was the only thing I liked about it.

The Focus will be fast but as Nick says, it will be interesting to see how it goes in the wet.

Ojc
02-01-2009, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Floyd@Jan 2 2009, 03:15 PM
I saw similar (and nice) seats in a VXR Corsa. It was the only thing I liked about it.

The Focus will be fast but as Nick says, it will be interesting to see how it goes in the wet.
Drive a Corsa VXR, bet you love it.

Tony
02-01-2009, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Ojc@Jan 2 2009, 02:46 PM
the revo knuckle design could be found on the Megane years ago, and you don't see Renault shouting from the rooftops about it.
That's because the Focus received mixed reviews at launch because of the diff tugging which felt like torque steer. Once you got used to it, or better still learned to left foot brake, it was an awesome piece of kit.

Monkey could get down a three mile stretch of the Wye valley A road near his house faster in the Focus than the Gallardo that he owned at the time B)

Gary Kinghorn
02-01-2009, 05:02 PM
Wonder if they will actually make this one ;)


It will sell as all fords do :thumb:

GVK
02-01-2009, 05:35 PM
In case, like me you were wondering WTF is a revo knuckle...

http://forums.focaljet.com/suspension/5859...vo-knuckle.html (http://forums.focaljet.com/suspension/585922-future-fwd-performance-revo-knuckle.html)

Floyd
02-01-2009, 05:42 PM
Now we know.

Das Chin
02-01-2009, 06:29 PM
is that it? a re map and a few diff n brand bits.

mmm hardly worth the extra even if it does have the cossie badge.

2nd hand ST could be a real bargain then for someone. tune up and suspension and it would go just as well. :thumb:

Ojc
02-01-2009, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Das Chin@Jan 2 2009, 07:29 PM
is that it? a re map and a few diff n brand bits.

mmm hardly worth the extra even if it does have the cossie badge.

2nd hand ST could be a real bargain then for someone. tune up and suspension and it would go just as well. :thumb:
Exactly. It really isn't worth it at all. Especially seeing as you can get ST's for under 10k now.

Pooky
02-01-2009, 07:01 PM
Seen, sat in blah blah blah new Focus RS. One thing it definitely isn't is a chipped, modded ST. You can always count on forums for good old unfounded opinion.

Ojc
02-01-2009, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Pooky@Jan 2 2009, 08:01 PM
Seen, sat in blah blah blah new Focus RS. One thing it definitely isn't is a chipped, modded ST. You can always count on forums for good old unfounded opinion.
Driven one then? Unlikely.

None of us can say that the ST will be as good with an LSD & a remap but we can speculate, forums are good for speculation.

GVK
02-01-2009, 07:14 PM
You obviously don't know what line of work Pooky is in. :D

Ojc
02-01-2009, 07:17 PM
He said "sat in" not driven. Enlighten the ignorant.

GVK
02-01-2009, 07:40 PM
Dave (pooky) is a chassis engineer within the motor industry.

Pete R
02-01-2009, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by GVK@Jan 2 2009, 06:35 PM
In case, like me you were wondering WTF is a revo knuckle...

http://forums.focaljet.com/suspension/5859...vo-knuckle.html (http://forums.focaljet.com/suspension/585922-future-fwd-performance-revo-knuckle.html)
I'd seen the drawing of it but not an actual picture, it's kind of interesting in a geeky way. It's a shame I'll never get to make use of it, I'm not a ford fan by any stretch but I'd like a go in the new rs and the st, even the old rs actually.

paulie
02-01-2009, 08:01 PM
Also rs cars always command more money because of the marque,the st is a very good car but the arse has fallen out of them already and thats the way it'll stay.If Rs cars go down in value they do go back up with time,st's won't.

james28
02-01-2009, 08:19 PM
All rs cars sell well regardless and command a hugh following especially the good ones
escort cosworth a 15+ year old car still comands 10k plus residuals
3 door and rs 500s can go for anything up to 30k
the rs marque is the car imo the biggest following maybe the mini and beetle come close and regardless of some opinions im sure the new rs will be a huge sucess and when the first batch are sold the cars will probably fetch more than there original purchace price.RS rallye sport and they do it damm well so lets see how well with the rs :) :thumb:

Mark
02-01-2009, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by Pooky@Jan 2 2009, 08:01 PM
Seen, sat in blah blah blah new Focus RS. One thing it definitely isn't is a chipped, modded ST. You can always count on forums for good old unfounded opinion.
Yep, revised engine.

My old ST rolling road'd at 292bhp & 355ft/lb, great cruiser but no B road blaster. Its nose was so heavy and was the reason I finally got rid of it so I was surprised to hear the new RS has a heavier engine and the RS will be heavier than the ST. That better be one hell of a LSD and revo knuckle.

I admire Renault for the way they went about their flagship hot hatch, Colin Chapman's ethic of add less weight but it's gone a bit too far for an everyday road car.

Simon
02-01-2009, 08:44 PM
Just not the time to be bringing out a 25K+ Ford imho. I do like it though :thumb:

Russ_F
02-01-2009, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Das Chin@Jan 2 2009, 07:29 PM


mmm hardly worth the extra even if it does have the cossie badge.


Quote me if i'm wrong but RS & Cosworth are two different things, joined in the past but not now..

I like the look of it btw :thumb:

Jim Cameron
02-01-2009, 10:26 PM
Yes please. Worth the money. Will hold it's money too. Bet it goes like stink.

Just speculating, obviously :P

Simon
02-01-2009, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cameron@Jan 2 2009, 11:26 PM
Yes please. Worth the money. Will hold it's money too. Bet it goes like stink.

Just speculating Jude, obviously :P
EFC :lol:

Jim Cameron
02-01-2009, 10:33 PM
What are the repayments like on 25K, anyway?

Floyd
02-01-2009, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Russ_bmworx+Jan 2 2009, 11:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Russ_bmworx @ Jan 2 2009, 11:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Das Chin@Jan 2 2009, 07:29 PM


mmm hardly worth the extra even if it does have the cossie badge.


Quote me if i&#39;m wrong but RS & Cosworth are two different things, joined in the past but not now..

I like the look of it btw :thumb: [/b][/quote]
Are they doing a Cossie version?

Simon
02-01-2009, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cameron@Jan 2 2009, 11:33 PM
What are the repayments like on 25K, anyway?
:fish: You not get an &#39;Army rate&#39; then?

Jim Cameron
02-01-2009, 10:59 PM
That&#39;s a good point. I&#39;ll ask. You not got any free &#39;banking error&#39; money kicking round your account this week?

Floyd
02-01-2009, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cameron@Jan 2 2009, 11:59 PM
That&#39;s a good point. I&#39;ll ask. You not got any free &#39;banking error&#39; money kicking round your account this week?
Everyone has spent it on his open PP account. Oh, you didn&#39;t know about that then?

Simon
03-01-2009, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by Jim Cameron@Jan 2 2009, 11:59 PM
That&#39;s a good point. I&#39;ll ask. You not got any free &#39;banking error&#39; money kicking round your account this week?
No. Loads being spent at the &#39;sales&#39; though :(

3 kids and I watching Dora the Snow Princess while Kayla is out shopping for the last bargins ;)

GVK
18-02-2009, 08:19 PM
http://www.ford.co.uk/hidden/FocusRSVideo

Jost Capito head of &#39;team rs&#39; talks about the new car.

GVK
23-02-2009, 05:57 PM
http://www.autocar.co.uk/contentImages//Car/Ford/Focus/20299263660356x236.jpg

How good does it look in white?

Sutcliffe seems to like it, a lot&#33;


http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/...?AR=238360&CT=V (http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=238360&CT=V)

GVK
23-02-2009, 06:36 PM
Plato drives it on 5th gear tonight as well :thumb:

8pm CH5

Neil Mac
23-02-2009, 07:10 PM
Sutcliffe says it doesn&#39;t understeer, but Car magazine&#39;s Ben Barry seem to think it does:

CaRS (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-RS-2009-CAR-review/)

pye21
23-02-2009, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by GVK@Feb 23 2009, 07:36 PM
Plato drives it on 5th gear tonight as well :thumb:

8pm CH5
3 Post in a row about a Ford, are you ill Gary? :whistle:

Or just re-living the 80&#39;s :lol:

Tony
23-02-2009, 07:47 PM
I&#39;d take Sutcliffe&#39;s word against Ben Barry&#39;s every day of the week.
Had the pleasure of doing a few laps of Rockingham with him in the (then new) E46 M3 and he is VERY handy :thumb:

RS looks good doesn&#39;t it? B)

y2blade
23-02-2009, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by GVK@Feb 23 2009, 07:36 PM
Plato drives it on 5th gear tonight as well :thumb:

8pm CH5
i watched that too



i like it

GVK
23-02-2009, 09:16 PM
I worked with Fords for 20yrs so still have a bit of a soft spot for the more interesting models. :P

Looking forward to Driver&#39;s Republic&#39;s test of it. :thumb:

Floyd
23-02-2009, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by GVK@Feb 23 2009, 06:57 PM
http://www.autocar.co.uk/contentImages//Car/Ford/Focus/20299263660356x236.jpg

How good does it look in white?

Sutcliffe seems to like it, a lot&#33;


http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/...?AR=238360&CT=V (http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=238360&CT=V)
That looks double hard B)

pye21
24-02-2009, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by Floyd+Feb 23 2009, 10:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Floyd @ Feb 23 2009, 10:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-GVK@Feb 23 2009, 06:57 PM
http://www.autocar.co.uk/contentImages//Car/Ford/Focus/20299263660356x236.jpg

How good does it look in white?

Sutcliffe seems to like it, a lot&#33;


http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/...?AR=238360&CT=V (http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=238360&CT=V)
That looks double hard B) [/b][/quote]
Black wheels would finish it off :thumb:

Mike P
24-02-2009, 09:33 AM
Yet again another failed promise of a 4x4. If they want to make it look like the WRC why the hell are they making it FWD and dissapointing everyone?

GVK
24-02-2009, 09:38 AM
I think it&#39;s on the first link I posted where they film Jost Capito answering questions about it, he mentions they built 4wd protypes but they felt &#39;heavy&#39; to drive etc, judging by Plato + Sutcliffes comments it&#39;s a cracking thing to drive, even if it is fwd.

Neil Mac
24-02-2009, 10:36 AM
Plato seemed quite impressed, and he knows a thing or two about driving 300bhp FWD cars. Doesn&#39;t recommend the virulent bright green colour, though, which is fair comment.

I&#39;d have one (assuming someone else bought it for me). I&#39;d just take it easy driving in built up areas to avoid the embarrasment of unintentional dump valve actuation. My Turbocharged Japanese car had a DV with a trumpet, and as amusing as it was in Japan, it was a bit much for Olney.

GVK
24-02-2009, 10:55 AM
5th gear feature on You Tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTY3NS1ardE

Spy footage @ the NS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Apm94UIAV4

GVK
24-02-2009, 11:47 AM
Seems that the Team RS boss has a good CV

http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/cref-capjos.html

Tony
24-02-2009, 12:02 PM
Apparently a top bloke too .......... I hate him already&#33; :lol:

GVK
24-02-2009, 12:43 PM
Has Monkey driven the RS yet Tony? ;)

GVK
24-02-2009, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by pye21+Feb 23 2009, 08:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pye21 &#064; Feb 23 2009, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-GVK@Feb 23 2009, 07:36 PM
Plato drives it on 5th gear tonight as well* :thumb:

8pm CH5
3 Post in a row about a Ford, are you ill Gary? :whistle:

Or just re-living the 80&#39;s :lol: [/b][/quote]
Found some old pics to scan, this was my RST that I had in 98ish

Ford motorsport &#39;Ahmed Bayjoo&#39; chip 14psi boost, -31 actuator, de rigeur 4" scorpion exhaust , 8 gearboxes in two years etc. :lol:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i270/GVK34/wwc640x480.jpg

And this, the most tidy but unrealible car I&#39;ve owned.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i270/GVK34/moneypitaRSe_bw-1.jpg

aka the &#39;moneypitaRSe&#39; :pokefun:

Tony
24-02-2009, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by GVK@Feb 24 2009, 01:43 PM
Has Monkey driven the RS yet Tony? ;)
I haven&#39;t spoken to him for a week or two but he mde some comment about dropping off his new toy (have you seen what he has bought?&#33; :whistle: ) at the airport for a couple of days so I guess it was for the RS launch.

I&#39;ll give him a call tomorrow and see what&#39;s what. :thumb:

Weeman
25-02-2009, 02:06 PM
think its lovely, but i&#39;d steer away from Ford, go too lichfields and buy a JDM civic.

Darran
26-02-2009, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by GVK@Feb 24 2009, 01:43 PM
Has Monkey driven the RS yet Tony? ;)
http://blog.drivers-republic.com/2009/02/26/focus-rs-test/

GVK
26-02-2009, 03:34 PM
Look forward to DR&#39;s tests and vids :D

Tony
26-02-2009, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by GVK@Feb 24 2009, 01:43 PM
Has Monkey driven the RS yet Tony? ;)
I am sworn to secrecy re the result but it should make interesting reading. The story should be up this evening. ;)

DAN THE MAN
01-03-2009, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Weeman@Feb 25 2009, 03:06 PM
think its lovely, but i&#39;d steer away from Ford, go too lichfields and buy a JDM civic.
:P

Id have both, RS may be faster, grippier and harder.. but is it as hardcore like the DC2? Thats what honda got right with the FD..

GVK
02-03-2009, 01:06 PM
Still no RS test on DR - Hurry up guys &#33; :wave:

Tony
02-03-2009, 01:37 PM
Patience Gary :D
Ford screwed them over on the launch so Monkey didn&#39;t get there until the second day. Therefore a the other major players have already shown theirs I guess they are in less of a hurry. What DR did do, that the others didn&#39;t, is take an R26R and an STi with them :thumb:

Should be worth the wait ;)

GVK
02-03-2009, 01:55 PM
Yep, I saw they had the Subaru and R26R with them, talking of DR does anyone else think the community section is not very user friendly? I&#39;ve looked at it a couple of times but can&#39;t seem to get &#39;into it&#39; :huh:

pye21
02-03-2009, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Tony@Feb 24 2009, 10:22 PM
have you seen what he has bought?&#33; :whistle:
No, what is it?

GVK
02-03-2009, 02:12 PM
Ferrari 612 Spaghetti :P

Tony
02-03-2009, 08:25 PM
Lol @ Gary

No, the &#39;community&#39; is nothing like as user-friendly as Northloop BUT it is not designed to be the same. It is more of a Facebook-esque set-up that allows them to know an awful lot about the users and can then target marketing/advertisers accordingly. It is not as good for the members but it is an infinitely more powerful selling tool and therefore money generator for DR and it&#39;s owners..... or that is the theory at least ;)

GVK
04-03-2009, 12:02 AM
http://magazines.drivers-republic.com/driv...efight042/?fm=2 (http://magazines.drivers-republic.com/driversrepublic/prizefight042/?fm=2)

Good write up on the RS from Chris Harris :thumb:

Tony
04-03-2009, 12:02 AM
http://magazines.drivers-republic.com/driv...efight042/?fm=2 (http://magazines.drivers-republic.com/driversrepublic/prizefight042/?fm=2)

:whistle:

Tony
04-03-2009, 12:03 AM
:lol: :lol: You must have beaten me by 30 secs Gary :lol: :thumb:

GVK
04-03-2009, 12:07 AM
I&#39;ve gotta win something :lol:

Chris Ratcliff
04-03-2009, 12:16 AM
My word, after reading Chris Harris&#39;s write up on the RS, I damn near had a gentleman&#39;s accident.

Even with my own bias (I&#39;m a Mk1 Focus owner, still adore the Mk1 RS, and think Ford just watered down the design with the later cars) I just think the new RS is stunning, especially with the handling as sorted as it appears to be, and without going the full stripped out route.

As for DR, I&#39;m something of a devotee for sure. It&#39;s a different way of using the site - it&#39;s really the polar opposite of Pistonheads in many, many ways - but the interface is just terrible. God knows how many users they have who never really get the way the site is supposed to work, plus how many odd bugs and stuff there are in it. However, the quality of the content (and groups users... :whistle: ) is really second to none.

GVK
04-03-2009, 12:19 AM
I&#39;ve been around forums for quite a few years, but DR still baffles me, struggling to change profile picture&#33; :lol: Who the fook is cyberbilly? Sounds like a porn star&#33;&#33; :fishing:

Enjoyed the write up of the RS though, look forward to seeing if they show any in-car vids.

Chris Ratcliff
04-03-2009, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by GVK@Mar 4 2009, 01:19 AM
I&#39;ve been around forums for quite a few years, but DR still baffles me, struggling to change profile picture&#33; :lol: Who the fook is cyberbilly? Sounds like a porn star&#33;&#33; :fishing:
Never trust anyone who hides behind a psuedonym I say...

Tony
04-03-2009, 01:40 AM
LOL @ Chris & Gary

We had a very funny drunken evening when Monkey was describing punters as &#39;Billies&#39; (cockney rhyming). The name stuck and so when he launched DR it was adapted - thus Cyberbilly ;)

I too am a convert of the Mk1 RS - the ideal car for me to learn the ring - so if the Mk2 is as good as they say (and Monkey was unusually enthusiastic about it) then it will be a mega car. I am &#39;in negotiation&#39; with Monkey to take one to Germany in the spring - ideally with an R26R just to make sure :whistle:

Stace
04-03-2009, 07:51 AM
Good read. Think that white is probably the way forward for a Focus RS for me.

Looking forward to reading the Nurburgring test Tony if you blag it :thumb:

Simon
04-03-2009, 08:32 AM
He seems to like it :( . Cracking car :thumb:

Tony
04-03-2009, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by Andrew Stacey@Mar 4 2009, 08:51 AM
Good read. Think that white is probably the way forward for a Focus RS for me.

Looking forward to reading the Nurburgring test Tony if you blag it :thumb:
Agreed on colour - but don&#39;t hold your breath about me getting the car Andrew.
I have done extremely well out of Monkey in the past but the toys have been somewhat less forthcoming since it&#39;s his own production and not autocar footing the bill :( :lol:

findlay
04-03-2009, 12:22 PM
Some write-up. B) I must admit that I too was/am sceoptical about 300bhp and FWD. Just look how Vauxhall managed to get it so wrong in the dis-Astra VXR with "only" 260bhp. :lol:

Not sure about the green, the white does look cool but cheapens the car, blue I like but I can afford none of them. I&#39;d be helluva tempted by a CSL for the same money though... :blink:

GVK
05-03-2009, 03:45 PM
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/inde...52f&area=videos (http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?videoid=4fdb316c384d4a4da8a56d39b8a5f52f&area=videos)

dr tv :veryhappy: