View Full Version : Tarmac, Trenches and Treats!!!!

Ian H
18-09-2008, 06:57 PM
Finally going to start the Trip report from our trip at the end of August to the beginning of Sept.

It might take a few days to finish but at least it will get done....hopefully :lol:

The trip consisted of a week in Germany at the camp site where the Pinders had taken up residence for the Summer --> Niges Trip Report for the Time we were there (http://z8.invisionfree.com/Northloop/index.php?showtopic=11345&st=390)

Jude and I had a fantastic trip to Europe where we visited the Ring , then came back via the WW1 Battlefields for a bit of a history trip.

The first part of the trip is Tarmac - The Nurburgring!!

Starting off in style with a good breakfast...


Waiting for the Chunnell.


Beautiful Jag on the train... with German plates :o


Our hotel for the night to break the journey up


Watch shot for Nige.
Yes this was the time we got back to room after the meal, for an early night :D


Our great facilities in the Premier Classe Hotel...


Setting up camp...


Checking the car over, been faultless on the way over.


Off to the animal park...


A Llama...


Simon and Hannah...


Kayla and Jake...


Nige with a camera... what a surprise :lol:


Nige with a new friend :whistle:


Lunch :whistle:




Stunning Stag...


Matty and Matthew...


Me stuck up the kids ride with Cat :whistle:


Me rescued from the ride :lol:


Nige and Andrew... not quite equal!! :whistle:


The Bird show...





Tuesday we went to the Water park. No photos by me but there should be some of the rope in the pool...

In the afternoon we did the usual couple of hours on the track.
I had some laps left on a ticket so used those up first, then went and got a 25 lap ticket for the rest of the week.
Went through the barrier with Matty, for his first pazx lap, and got pulled over by the marshal :blink:
After being stopped for 25 mins it became apparent that I had been reported by Nurburg Motorsport to the office as having a car unfit to drive on the Ring. This followed having the car stored there and some disagreements over them wanting to get some work done for 1000 euros and me questioning whether they needed doing at all!!!!
See thread --> N.M.S. thread (http://z8.invisionfree.com/Northloop/index.php?showtopic=12381)

Off to Phantasia land


Jude using the Mens toilet :whistle:


Jude and Cat getting ready for the Rides...


Nige and Dave getting ready for the rides :lol:


And on one...


Me on the rides....


more to come....


18-09-2008, 07:22 PM
Welcome back Ian :D Good report so far :thumb:

You look a bit terified here:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/ianh26/Nurburgring/August%202008/DSCF2842.jpg

Taps finger waiting for next installment :whistle:

Ian H
18-09-2008, 07:29 PM
Great ride this one...
Darren and I loved this one last year...


Gets your stomach going though...


Waffles were the order of the day...


Justine... :whistle:


Teachers today!!!....


Someone get a puncture....


Thursday morning we got a message that the Track was to be opened early as Opel had forgotten that they had booked the track so it was TF at 2pm!!!

That night it was a BBQ at the camp site... yum yum!!


Aaahh how cute....


I'm telling you there were NO Moon landings, its all a hoax!!!


Simon... :whistle:


Oh.. so you're Andy Carlisle are you...


What shooting star...


Matty was enthralled with the camp fire stories...


still more to come...


Ian H
18-09-2008, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Floyd+Sep 18 2008, 08:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Floyd &#064; Sep 18 2008, 08:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Welcome back Ian :D Good report so far :thumb:
Why thank you kind sir :D

<!--QuoteBegin-Floyd@Sep 18 2008, 08:22 PM

Taps finger waiting for next installment :whistle:[/quote]

Its coming... slowly :D


18-09-2008, 07:42 PM
enjoying this so far :thumb:

18-09-2008, 07:46 PM
Was i a bit pissed when banging on about the looner landings :whistle:

Ian H
18-09-2008, 07:51 PM
First posts updated as things come back to me :lol:


Ian H
18-09-2008, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Stan@Sep 18 2008, 08:46 PM
Was i a bit pissed when banging on about the looner landings :whistle:
And the lunar ones :thumb:


Gary Kinghorn
18-09-2008, 07:59 PM
Good stuff winkle :thumb:

18-09-2008, 08:00 PM
Ah, so you are Ian H. We met briefly during my/your last visit in the cafe on the Ring. Also now know who an andy C is. Met him a couple of times at Blau Ecke but didn&#39;t know his name.

Good this forum thingy. More pics please. How long were you out there for? Should I be asking for much longer passes when I go in future?

18-09-2008, 08:00 PM
What&#33;? I have to reread the first post? :blink: :lol:

Some pictures have been recycled from Niges report - cheat :P

Sill enjoying it though :thumb:

Ian H
18-09-2008, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Trevor Wood@Sep 18 2008, 09:00 PM
Ah, so you are Ian H. We met briefly during my/your last visit in the cafe on the Ring. Also now know who an andy C is. Met him a couple of times at Blau Ecke but didn&#39;t know his name.

Good this forum thingy. More pics please. How long were you out there for? Should I be asking for much longer passes when I go in future?
Hi Trevor,

Yes I remember :thumb:
Not a bad little forum is it, but don&#39;t tell Gary :lol:

We were out for 8 days at the Ring this time.
Always go for longer passes :thumb:


Ian H
18-09-2008, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Floyd@Sep 18 2008, 09:00 PM
What&#33;? I have to reread the first post? :blink: :lol:

Some pictures have been recycled from Niges report - cheat :P

Sill enjoying it though :thumb:
Hi Floyd,

Sorry should type it up first then post but I have been saying that for two weeks now :shame: Thought it best to get something up and edit it.

As for the photos, they are all mine, just happened to be stood next to Nige at the time of some of them so look similar :lol:


18-09-2008, 08:11 PM
Ah, that&#39;s OK then :D

Jim Cameron
18-09-2008, 08:13 PM
Great stuff, ignore Floyd, we all are... :thumb:

18-09-2008, 08:16 PM
You&#39;re sitting in the back with Simon for that :pokefun:

Ian H
18-09-2008, 09:03 PM
To save editing the earlier post and making Floyd read it again....

Whilst oin the car park on the Thursday afternoon a certain black posh Vectra estate turned up (Saab badge on the back) :whistle:

Out pops a well known Looper on official business.
Yep its Karl&#33;&#33;

We chatted for a bit then Jorg took Nige out for a lap.

I joked about Karl doing a lap and offered him my ticket, as he has helped me out a lot recently it was the least I could do... at first he refused.
He&#39;d not been out for two years on the Ring&#33;&#33;

Then like an alcoholic that had smelt the vodka for the first time since going dry&#33;&#33; he reached out, took the ticket and said jump in :o
Jude jumped in the back and off we went to catch Jorg.
Which we did by T13, sat behind for a bit and then off he went for Karls first lap in 2 years&#33;&#33;

When we got back he went straight to the office and got his own ticket :lol:

He then took me out for another lap which got the tyres a little warm...
see Niges thread --> Mobile Chicane (http://z8.invisionfree.com/Northloop/index.php?showtopic=12188&hl=)

Offroad centre trip - highly recommended :thumb:







Nige being spoken to by the marshal, after struggling to get up the hill :whistle:



Off the N/S again for some more lapage.
As there was 2 full days of TF for the weekend it was getting busy, so it was big game hunting time ;)

F430 Spyder with &#39;F F430&#39; plate, driver and I think his daughter (:whistle:) both in Ferrari red race suits.
Could not have timed the overtake any better as Louise Pinder was sat on the corner and got this great shot&#33;&#33; :o
Dave Evans had said to me in the carpark to catch him and pass him not long before this lap&#33; He was in the Blue 968CS also in the shot.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/ianh26/Nurburgring/August%202008/NLP_2291.jpg (Photo courtesy of Louise Pinder)

That night we went to the Comfy corner...

Jorg is now doing Fish & Chips with mushy peas which we certainly highly recommend, although I still don&#39;t agree with the lettuce leaf :)


Andrew enjoying his...


Joel joined us for food, back from his trip with LOT...


Jude really enjoyed her main course...


and her desert :)


Nige instructing Jorg on how to drive the Ring...


Andrew ... well not sure really... Cat, explain please :)


Milking the glove???


Brothers??? :)


Kesselaar&#39;s minus one...


What I don&#39;t have is any photos of me sorting out my thumb nail that I banged earlier in the day. Hopefully Nige will have them in his report soon. Claire K was fascinated with me sticking a needle in to relieve the pressure and pain while Louise helped me.
Blame Martin P1Doc for this after he said I should have done it to my big toe nails. Read this to understand further --> Toe nail injury&#33;&#33; (http://z8.invisionfree.com/Northloop/index.php?showtopic=8979&hl=)

The rest of the night was quite a quiet one with a gentle social drink with Karl, Claire, Jorg, his wife and Jude :whistle:
No Fire water from either Germany or Croatia was drunk and I was fine at 3am when we all left... honest :lol:


more to come still...

18-09-2008, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by Ian Howell@Sep 18 2008, 10:03 PM
What I don&#39;t have is any photos of me sorting out my thumb nail that I banged earlier in the day. Hopefully Nige will have them in his report soon. Claire K was fascinated with me sticking a needle in to relieve the pressure and pain while Louise helped me.
Thats going in my report :thumb: Disgusting, but going in the report :lol:

Brothers... :boom:

18-09-2008, 09:09 PM
After driving back to the camp site
Ian "Are we back already, I thought I&#39;d been asleep" he had :whistle:


18-09-2008, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by JudeM@Sep 18 2008, 10:09 PM
After driving back to the camp site
Ian "Are we back already, I thought I&#39;d been asleep" he had :whistle:

PS me driving back, obviously :lol:


Ian H
18-09-2008, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Nige@Sep 18 2008, 10:08 PM
Thats going in my report :thumb: Disgusting, but going in the report :lol:

Brothers... :boom:
Excellent ;)


18-09-2008, 09:13 PM

Keep it coming B)

Ian H
18-09-2008, 10:43 PM
Video of Andrew drumming to Kid rock played by Jorg and murdered by the rest of us :lol: --> Sweet Home Alabama it ain&#39;t&#33;&#33; (http://www.vimeo.com/1762163)

Nige getting into the spirit of it all :P



Ian H
20-09-2008, 01:21 PM
The morning was a little blurred from the night before, not sure why though :whistle:

As the Pinders were leaving we stayed around to help them, and to let the slight head ache wear off :D


All packed up and ready to go...


After lunch we ventured down to the track. Hadn&#39;t bothered rushing as we kept being updated that the track kept closing :(

Went out for a steady sighting warm up lap.
As we went out the Ring Taxi&#39;s were getting redy to leave so kept checking for them.
Coming into Kallenhard I saw them approaching so kept out the way for MHM, as they went past us though there was a Motorbike following them which I stayed clear for also, then followed them through BS to watch them drifting.

What happened shortly after will now stay with me forever.
As we came up the hill to I the left hander, klostertal I think, I saw dust in the air and as I came roun the bend the Ring Taxis were coming to a stop with all doors flying open with the occupants getting out. The motorbike was in the barrier between the M5&#39;s. Immediately slowed with hazards on but thought best not to add to the situation as the Ring taxis would be able to deal with it. We finished the lap and as expected the track was closed.

We stopped to go through the main straight barrier to do another lap but were all moved off as we got told it would be a long stoppage.


The car park gossip started but later I found out that the worse had happened and the biker had gone over the barrier down the bank the other side and not made it.

After the fact I have thought about it. Should I have stopped to help, would it have made a difference, I don&#39;t know and never will :(

The closure lead to some ridiculous parking but the Police soon sorted that out with tickets. :nono:
Yes the cars on the right of the roundabout are parked&#33;


While waiting we saw some people that really took their love for the Ring a bit far in my opinion :wave:


Not sure about a lap on one of these though :lol:


When the track did open I did go out again and had some fun laps but the standard of driving was pretty bad. Also as usual following stoppages, everyone went out like the start of the old Le Mans :blink:

still more to come...


20-09-2008, 02:12 PM
That headache was nowhere near as bad as it should have been :whistle:

..... and packing up the Pinders summer camp took way longer than 2 photos make it look, seemed so empty when they had gone.

Now stop messing around and get this trip report finished :lol:


21-09-2008, 09:11 PM
Looks like you&#39;ve had a lovely time....looking forward to reading about the rest :whistle: :D

Ian H
21-09-2008, 09:16 PM
Will update soon, been busy this weekend :D


Ian H
28-09-2008, 08:49 PM
Saturday Night

Got invited to Robert&#39;s (Bad Dragon&#39;s) Birthday meal at their apartment.
This was located near the Centre Parcs place.

The whole evening was a lovely with fantastic Satay food.

Johannes and partner also came along.



Too busy eating and enjoying ourselves to take any more photos :D

Big thanks to Robert and Frederique.


Got up early to get some quiet laps in before the madness started again and the day got too warm.

Car was running well and I got some good laps in.

Saw Nick in his M3 who took me out for some laps : thumb:
Great car :o , just needs some decent tyres now :whistle:

Also saw Russ in his M3 who also kidly took me out for some laps.

Damn these people, I want a BMW now :lol:

As the day went on the madness grew :(

Various closures happened.

Then while out on a lap with Jude we closed on a German black Merc SLK with a biker in front of him. (following story is brief version, not full detail)

I followed for a bit with my indicators on waiting for a safe overtake but to no avail.

Then approaching Brunchen One he appeared to suddenly pull over to the right to allow me to pass. I stayed left setting myself up for B1 when the merc pulled back in front of me and slammed on the brakes.
I braked and went to the left to avoid him and ended up touching the grass which caused the car to start to spin.

It went very quiet in the car and all I remember is thinking don&#39;t hit the Merc and don&#39;t hurt Jude. :blink:

I managed to keep the car going but steering into the spin and keeping my foot in. All the time thinking I had TWO wheels on the tarmac :o

As you can see from these, I didn&#39;t :blink:



It then became apparent the guy didn&#39;t even know I was there and had been filming the bike in front of him :angry:

We went past him at Eiskurve and I gave him a little toot, he waved back while both he and his passenger laughed :angry: :angry: :angry:

We queued coming off the track as I had waited at the end of the lap for him. As we came off I tried to speak to the marshal but my German was as good as his English so got nowhere. The merc sped off out of the entrance and wasn&#39;t seen again.

My thanks to the guy who emailed the photos to Gary :thumb:

We went and sat with Robert & Frederique for a quiet cold drink and a calm down.

That was my closest moment yet and I will be quite honest the scariest :(

After some time we walked around the carpark.

Some lovely cars are always there.









While going around the car park we saw Russ again, who kindly took Jude out for a couple of laps :thumb:


Will let Jude tell you about the laps :D


still not finished :lol:

28-09-2008, 08:57 PM
I actually ended up doing 4 very fast hot laps (one with a stop for re-fuel in Adenau).

I was pleased to see Ian out on track, straight back on the horse :thumb:

Great fun laps, it is a super car. :thumb: Wish I could get one built for Ian.

Funniest bit was when Russ asked me to hold his helmet and I had a big wet sweaty mark on my leg ;)

Many thanks


Ian H
28-09-2008, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by JudeM@Sep 28 2008, 09:57 PM
Funniest bit was when Russ asked me to hold his helmet and I had a big wet sweaty mark on my leg ;)


Oi Russ :fight:

Want a word with you.....

Ian :lol:

28-09-2008, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by JudeM@Sep 28 2008, 09:57 PM

Funniest bit was when Russ asked me to hold his helmet and I had a big wet sweaty mark on my leg ;)

:o :blink:

28-09-2008, 09:05 PM

It was proper hot that day. Lots of sweaty helmets that day, I suspect :whistle:

28-09-2008, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by Joel@Sep 28 2008, 10:05 PM

It was proper hot that day. Lots of sweaty helmets that day, I suspect :whistle:
That sounds like something Weeman would post :P

Ian H
28-09-2008, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Joel@Sep 28 2008, 10:05 PM

It was proper hot that day. Lots of sweaty helmets that day, I suspect :whistle:
Mine was certainly dripping after the spin :whistle:


29-09-2008, 09:07 AM
Like a Viz comic in here :lol:

Good report so far, Ian. really enjoying reading it :thumb:

29-09-2008, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Hippychick+Sep 28 2008, 11:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hippychick @ Sep 28 2008, 11:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Joel@Sep 28 2008, 10:05 PM

It was proper hot that day. Lots of sweaty helmets that day, I suspect* :whistle:
That sounds like something Weeman would post :P [/b][/quote]
Hi :lol:

Ian H
04-10-2008, 10:41 PM
Saturday night we went to the PK with Joel, Darran and his Aussie mate who took a shine to the waitresses :whistle:

Jude took this when we called to book the table, great photo I thought&#33;


Usual Steak on a Stone and a couple of beers.

Good laugh with some fellow Northloopers :thumb:

Next day we packed up the tent leaving Joel on his own.


Our first port of call was to Nurburg Motor Sport to see what the hell had happened with the Ring Marshalls a few nights previous.

We left over an hour later after not really getting anywhere. :angry:

To say I won’t be going back is an understatement&#33;&#33; :nono:

So after a quick bite to eat, to calm down a bit, we headed off to Belgium for our second part of the holiday.

This was to be a short tour of the World War I Battlefields, hence the Trenches part of the title.

We arrived in Ypres with no issues deciding to just grab some food and head for bed.

Next day up bright and early, had the buffet breakfast at the Campanile and set off.

First stop was Essex Farm.
Essex Farm was the location of an Advanced Dressing Station (ADS) during the Great War, and now is the site of a CWGC Cemetery, as well as the remains of several bunkers some of which were used by the ADS.


The unplanned layout of the graves here reveals the nature of the cemetery. There are 1,199 burials, only 102 of which are unidentified, again reflecting the location of the cemetery near a dressing station, where casualties returned from action and hence identification was the norm. There are also 19 special memorials to men believed to be, or known to be, buried here.


Essex Farm Cemetery itself is probably one of the most visited sites in the salient, and this is principally because of it&#39;s association with John McCrae. Whilst stationed at Essex Farm, in May 1915 he was moved to write the famous poem "In Flanders Fields". This was after one of his friends, Alexis Helmer, was killed and buried. Seeing the poppies blow around the graves led to the best known image of this poem.

Back to Ypres town center to visit the Cloth Hall which is now a museum. It traces the history of the town and WWI.
The town square has been restored to how it looked before it was destroyed in the fighting.



After a coffee and some croque monsieur we headed out of town to Tyne Cot.

Tyne Cot Cemetery is the resting place of nearly 12,000 soldiers of the Commonwealth Forces, the largest number of burials of any Commonwealth cemetery of either world war.


The cemetery was established around a captured German blockhouse or pill-box used as an advanced dressing station.
At the suggestion of King George V, who visited the cemetery in 1922, the Cross of Sacrifice was placed on the original large pill-box.



There are three other pill-boxes in the cemetery.



From here I took Jude off to see some preserved Trenches at a privately owned museum at Sanctuary Wood.


The wood was given it&#39;s name because early in the War, some soldiers sheltered here, in effect were offered sanctuary, from a battle as they tried to return to their units. Following shelling in November 1914, the name could hardly be considered appropriate, but it stuck.


The remains of an original shell-blasted tree stand in Sanctuary Wood, this is a popular place for visitors to leave poppies.


The area around the trenches is still pocked with shell holes, and the area remains one of the few sites where you can get something of an impression of the actual terrain and landscape during the Great War.


Shell cases from the massive barrages.


more to come....

Ian H
04-10-2008, 11:07 PM
Due to our trips to Germany over the last three years we felt that we should even things up a little by going to the German cemetery at the town of Langemarck.


It was near here that the Germans first used poison gas on the 22nd of April 1915 (officially the Battle of Gravenstafel Ridge). Deploring this awful atrocity, the Allies did not however take too long to employ this weapon themselves, at Loos just five months later.
Inside the entrance block there are chambers to the left and right. On the walls of the chamber to the right are lists of names.


Once you enter the cemetery there is an inscription on a flat stone with a sculpted wreath. This records the 44,061 men buried here. Ahead is the mass grave of nearly 25,000 men. The names of those known to be buried here are recorded on eighty-six upright bronze panels beyond this entrance.



As it was getting late in the day we headed back to Ypres

Sited just off one of the streets from the square is the Menin Gate.


The Menin Gate Memorial is perhaps the most visited Great War Memorial on the Western Front. It contains, inside and out, huge panels into which are carved the names of the 54,896 officers and men of the commonwealth forces who died in the Ypres Salient area and who have no known graves.


Every night of the year, without exception, policemen close the road to traffic at 8.00 p.m. and then stand at the salute while buglers from the Ypres Fire Brigade play "The Last Post". This to say the least is quite an emotional experience. Particularly when you have a family members name on one of the panels.

Last Post Video ('http://www.vimeo.com/1812263')

To cheer ourselves up we went for some local culinary delights….. a Steak & Pizza place :lol:
Met an Ausie guy that was touring around and had a great chat to him over a litre of beer and a pizza.

Another early night.

... still not finished but getting there :D

04-10-2008, 11:10 PM
Good reading this it&#39;s bringing it all back :thumb:


05-10-2008, 07:42 AM
Enjoying reading this, Ian :thumb:

Dave B
05-10-2008, 08:19 AM
Top stuff Ian thanks.
For those browsing this who nip through Belgium on their way to the Ring, it really is worth a day or two of your time to stay and appreciate the ultimate sacrfice some these guys made, some as young as 14 :o who lied about their age to enlist
Its also got some lovely little towns and the people are great....sorry for thread hijack... :whistle:

Ian H
05-10-2008, 09:56 AM
Feel free Dave ;)

I totally agree with your points made.

No-one can appreciate the full gravity of the situation until you visit these places.

Its not all doom and gloom though.

As you say there are some lovely places, great people and the chocolate is great in Belgium (trying to keep it bright :P )


05-10-2008, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Dave Boulder@Oct 5 2008, 09:19 AM
Top stuff Ian thanks.
For those browsing this who nip through Belgium on their way to the Ring, it really is worth a day or two of your time to stay and appreciate the ultimate sacrfice some these guys made, some as young as 14 :o who lied about their age to enlist
Its also got some lovely little towns and the people are great....sorry for thread hijack... :whistle:
I agree strange thing to say you&#39;ve enjoyed it and that it was very peaceful, also very thought prevoking. Somewhere I feel everyone should visit and appreciate what others have done for us.

Looking at Hippychicks trip report there a lots of places we drive straight past that really are worth a visit. :D


05-10-2008, 10:37 PM
Agreed. We went to the Normandy beaches the other year and its a very sombre place and we took the time to try and appreciate the sacrifice so many people made for us.

Darren Langeveld
05-10-2008, 10:50 PM
Great report Ian - looks like you both enjoyed yourselves.

I&#39;m especially interested in the WW1 stuff :thumb:

Ian H
05-10-2008, 11:18 PM
Cheers guys, still got one more day to finish writing up, went to the Somme area ;)


16-02-2010, 11:43 AM
I kept telling him he hadn&#39;t finished this report :whistle:

16-02-2010, 11:52 AM

16-02-2010, 12:10 PM
Cheers for that Ian, great report & photos. :thumb:

16-02-2010, 12:32 PM
Nice to re-read that again :thumb:

Ian H
16-02-2010, 02:10 PM
After only just realising that I hadn&#39;t finished this (sure I had) thought I might as well add some of the pics in case anyone was thinking of doing this tour :D

Newfoundland Memorial



Canadian front line


Canadians had to cross from the forward trenches (shown by the people in the trench) across no-mans land to cover a few hundred meters to the German position but due to the machine guns not many made it.


Thiepval was one of the fortress villages that was held by the Germans on the Somme front in 1916.

After the War ended, Thiepval was chosen as the location for the Memorial to the Missing to commemorate those who died in the Somme sector before the 20th of March 1918 and have no known grave. This is the largest and most imposing of the Memorials to the Missing, and visiting here is a moving and sobering experience.
At the time of the unveiling in 1932 there were 73,357 names commemorated here.






Vimy Ridge

The attack at Vimy Ridge which was undertaken by the Canadian Corps (of the First Army) on Easter Monday, the 9th of April, 1917, is often seen as the first unequivocal success gained by the British (in this case Canadian) forces during the course of trench warfare.
The Germans had held the heights at Vimy Ridge since the trench lines settled in late 1914, and the French (who then held this part of the line) had failed in attempts to take it in May and September of 1915. The sector was taken over by the British early in 1916.

A certain Mr Adolf Hitler was stationed here during WW1&#33;




The view from the monument shows it&#39;s significance for commanding the surrounding area.



The trenches have been preserved to give a real perspective of what it was like.


View from a sentry post gun hole


This shows how close some of the trenches got during the war.
Jude is in the German forward trench, I was stood in the British forward trench.
Apparently they could throw grenades to each other across no-mans land&#33;


At the start of the battle to capture this vital land huge underground mines were set off, the results are shown here,


The best way to get to the front-line was underground in tunnels which you can go down and see as part of a tour.





You can see why they dug then at least 2m underground as they found out shells came through at shallower depths&#33;


Messine Ridge

The battle for Messines ridge which commenced on June the 7th 1917 was hailed as a triumph in strategy. Following the harsh lessons learned on the Somme the previous year, the taking of Messines ridge preceded the main Third Battle of Ypres (or Passchendaele).
Rather than attempting to making sweeping gains on a wide front with very large numbers of troops, the attack on Messines ridge was one of limited, but realistic, objectives, utilising a "creeping barrage" and preceded by the detonation of nineteen mines.


This is one of the craters from the huge detonations.

To give you some perspective I have pointed Jude out.




As we left to come home we saw this.


A brilliant and very emotional trip&#33;

THE END..... at last :shame:

Dave B
17-02-2010, 03:12 PM
Good one Ian.
I sincerely hope that generations to come will continue to visit these sites and ponder for a minute.....